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    Quote Originally Posted by nova_robotics View Post
    snip....Okay lets slow down here. PFAS are inert, and that's why they don't break down. They don't chemically react with anything. ...snip
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    For the sake of this discussion, it is very important to note that the word “inert” is often misunderstood and widely miss used. For example, the inert, also called noble, gasses are commonly said to be inert. As scientists continue to press the envelope of understanding, we are learning they are not truly inert.

    To paraphrase from “Chemical and Engineering News” ;
    Instead, one might describe the noble gases as aloof. Because they’re reluctant to share electrons from their filled outer electron shells, noble gases are generally considered un-reactive. But it is possible to wrestle reactivity from these elements, as the late chemist Neil Bartlett showed in 1962, when he made the first noble-gas compound, Xe[PtF6], by mixing xenon with platinum hexafluoride.

    This is not the only “inert” material to have been successfully combined with other elements. There is Sodium halide, which is Sodium and Helium. There is AuNe which is Gold and Neon. There are others. I am not making this stuff up.
    https://chemistry-europe.onlinelibra...open.201800257

    The point is, many items are said to be inert, when they are not. The forever chemicals, PFAS, are definitely not inert. They are called “forever chemicals” because they break down very slowly under “normal” environmental conditions. Under extreme conditions, like fires, they can easily break down into very different compounds.

    Teflon was said to be safe, and maybe it is when used properly. No one from Dupont bothered to tell us that when overheated, Teflon begins breaking down and releasing toxic gases and smaller chemical fragments. Such decomposition starts when cookware with PTFE coatings reaches temperatures of 500 degrees Fahrenheit or more. Is there anyone here who has NEVER let a skillet overheat on the stove?

    The PFAS chemicals are dangerous because we really do not know enough about them. You can read about this for yourself.
    https://www.questhealth.com/articles...rom-here.html?

    A short clip from that page;

    After reviewing existing research and large-scale studies in areas heavily contaminated with PFAS,⁶⁻⁹ the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine (NASEM) determined that there’s sufficient evidence of an association between high PFAS exposure and an increased risk for³:
    • Lower immune system response (children and adults)
    • Unhealthy levels of cholesterol or fats in the blood (children and adults)
    • Decreased infant and fetal growth
    • Kidney cancer (adults)

    It is difficult to get valid information about the products we use everyday. Corporations hide valuable information and feed us BS about how “safe” their products are. Just one example, tetraethyl lead. https://www.biobasedpress.eu/2018/11...never-erupted/

    This is the view from my perspective.

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