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I want to build a Rifiling machine for My M6 Build any one want to help or give me some input or Ideas ??Attachment 9479Attachment 9480 If you check out my project page my m6 scout build I got a few mor pics so basicly I need a .22 button a cylinder set up like above pic dont have to be wood and a frame to hold it in any takers on helping me on this quest LoL
hope I get some views at least may be a interested party ???/
Oh, I'm interested - I just don't have the relevant expertise. :lol:
Sometimes it takes some time before the right guy sees a particular post. Not everyone checks their sites as frequently as some of us do… :embarrassed:
Ken
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RN0i...s_digest-vrecs
This guy has the setup but no details on how to make the machine or the button If I got get one the experts to fill me in on how to make the button I think I coud figgure the rest
The machine in the video uses a cutter, not a button. It cuts one groove at a time, and takes several passes per shim, and several shims per groove. (He is cutting as much as he can with one shim, then indexing for the next groove. When he has cut all the grooves with that shim, he adds another, then starts all over with the process till he gets them all the correct depth.)
The setup he is using is called a sine bar rifling machine. The bar on the left can be set for various rifling twists by moving the end to a different position, (if he was wanting a gain-twist, the sine bar would have to be bent in a curve).
This is a much more convenient setup than button rifling, but more time consuming. Button rifling is used in mass production, and takes a lot more overhead.
For one barrel, another barrel could be used as a guide which would eliminate the necessity of building a machine. Ebay has barrels of all kinds.
As to the cutter, it is just a broach, shaped in a slight hook. They can be made from tool steel, like 0-2, or made out of a piece of old file that has been annealed, shaped, and rehardened.
A source of good information on this is Foxfire book #5.
I see the machine gun build has been deleted. That gun was definitely illegal to make or own.I don't sympathize with the anti gun crowd. It amazes me that someone would be so un knowledgable as to post a video like that. Some people have gotten five years in the slammer for doing this very thing.
This website sells a book and DVD on how to make a rifling bench similar to the one posted first in this thread:
Ye Book & DVD | Toad Hall Rifleshop Ye Book & DVD | Keeping The Art Of The Longrifle Alive!
Here is another book on barrel rifling:
Steel Helix- Home
Here's a page with a lot of general info on barrel rifling:
The Making of a Rifled Barrel, FirearmsID.com
Here is yet another book on rifling a barrel:
Rifling Machines & Methods
Here's a YouTube copy of a video that was put out by Colonial Williamsburg in the past on how a flintlock rifle was made back "in the day". It shows a lot about barrel making and rifling.:
https://youtu.be/lui6uNPcRPA
Finally, here's a link where you can download a PDF of the book "Advanced Gunsmithing" by W. F. Vicery that has a lot of info about rifling barrels.:
Download: Advanced Gunsmithing Book (PDF) | MachinistBlog.com
Happy reading. I hope that helps.
Randy
well thank you boss want to help me build my tool
people do dum things that is why we have laws The unknown Cat says know the law and use it to protect your rights
So are you wanting to build a rifling machine to make a 22 rifle or are you wanting a 22 barreled rifle? Here are some links you might be interested in that just might make a really accurate shooting barrel.
Barrel liners
http://www.brownells.com/gunsmith-to...prod10974.aspx
4130 tube for installing the liners into
4130 - Chromoly Round Tube 5/8 X .156 X 3' - $24.95 : Shapiro Supply, Alloy steel, Steel, Aluminum, Stainless, Aluminum Diamond Plate, Metal Suppliers
The 5/8" x .156 wall thickness will give you an inside diameter of .313" and the 5/16" barrel liners would be around .3125. Should fit but would probably need to be emery clothed to make the clearance fit just right.
The 22 rimfire cartridge needs a 1-16" or 1-20" rifling twist rate. I question if you'd be able to get that fast of a twist out of a rifling log like you have pictured. Would probably need sine bar rifling machine using rack and pinion gears.
I'm building a rifling tool for a black powder barrel out of a 4 foot piece of 3" PVC pipe and a 1 foot log sliding inside of the pipe. I've got about 50 3/8" metal dowels stuck through from the outside of the pipe circling around a 1-48" twist, and the wood log that has been turned down to fit snuggly has a corresponding groove cut into it to follow the dowels coming in from the outside. I'm not done with it yet and am not sure how well it will work. But this may be an idea for you.
It is only illegal to build or own a machine gun if you do not have the proper permits. I have a friend who builds full automatic guns and suppressors (silencers). He is legal and has all the required permits. From what I understand the permits are not cheap, but can be obtained by anyone who passes the background checks. It is legal for anyone to shoot the guns in full automatic mode with a silencer provided the permit holder is present and supervising the activity. You are right about going to jail for this sort of thing without the permits however.Quote:
Originally Posted by gpete
Bob
In the video he made he asked his buddy if it was legal, He replied "I don't know but it sure is fun." He also kept showing Bill Holmes' book about how to build a machine gun. In his book Bill clearly advised his readers about the law regarding the build. It's a great book by an amazingly talented guy, but I felt like maybe the OP thought that because there was a how to book that it must be legal. Don't really know why I commented on the whole deal. Just answering his question I guess. I didn't know it was going to be gone when I set out to post. Hope he is O.K. over this slip up. GP
Thank you Randy got get on this info might find some gold in dem dear books LoL
Hey best one yet sounds like what I am looking for could you send me a few pic or a drawing with dimentions might be what I should be building
Some wise guy ( Great Minds think alike and other unlike minds never think ) LoL
well unless you have alot of money and time if you mess with the law this is the price you will pay thats why I am doing this to keep legal I am sure there is lots of bad stuff out there but people like us do respect the law and I am glad you brought it up. I am sure its still out there some place so dont be sorry but it shows the owners of this site are responsiabe enough to not promote illegal activity keep up the good work guys
I think you said you did build a machine I woul like to see it could you send me a few pics and drawing with the dia. I am still stuck and digging my grave deeper LoL just asking for help but getting shovles LoL
Jamman; not heard how the project progresses.
I found this researching Harry Pope, barrel maker extraordinaire. This is not to dissuade but inspire you. It describes the rifling cutter described earlier. This excerpts an article printed in 1934. San Diego Schutzenguilde
" To rifle out the inside of a .22-caliber barrel takes about seven hours. The cutter is fitted with a wedge and screwhead so the feed, or depth it cuts, can be varied from time to time. The steel shaving removed from the grooves at first is about l/5000th of an inch thick. Later, when the end of the work is near and there is danger of cutting too far, less than 1/40,000 of an inch is removed during a "pass." It takes about 120 passes to cut each of the eight grooves within the barrel."
