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    Making your welder a much more useful tool. What an improvement!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mwmkravchenko View Post
    Making your welder a much more useful tool. What an improvement!
    Good Sunday afternoon mwmkravhenko, glad you like it more!

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    This data-comparison helps us to determine what the current should be and what the frequency of the pulse, especially for welding thinner steel sheets with butt-welding.
    The setting welding current is 100A, base current 5A.

    Adding Digital Generators to an Old Analogue TIG Welder-dc_600-750hz_comp.jpg

    In my opinion, up to 900Hz from 500Hz, the higher the frequency of the pulse the easier the control of the arc.
    This comparison tells we can raise the welding current safely in higher frequency, since the actual peak welding current does not go up too big for thinner sheet.

    Chy

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    Quote Originally Posted by chy_farm View Post
    This buddy gave me OK to open his schematics on this project, will compile a bit and post here soon.
    (Note he says the schematics are only for Hitachi's welder, version name 'ADGP' and some series after this. )
    Adding Digital Generators to an Old Analogue TIG Welder-schematic-digital-pulse-mixtig-hitachi-adgp-inomiya.jpg
    This schematic is just for Hitachi's TIG welder, ADGP series. Hope you can apply this for yours thanks.
    Chy
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    Long time since I had to deal with pulse generators like that. Something to watch out for is newer parts switch a LOT faster than the originals, can break the circuit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jdurand View Post
    Long time since I had to deal with pulse generators like that. Something to watch out for is newer parts switch a LOT faster than the originals, can break the circuit.
    Take it easy mate, the generator-band to be applied to this old welder is not so high, only 0Hz to at maximum not over 1kHz, they dont do any harm to the primary inverter board.
    Chy

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    Quote Originally Posted by chy_farm View Post
    Take it easy mate, the generator-band to be applied to this old welder is not so high, only 0Hz to at maximum not over 1kHz, they dont do any harm to the primary inverter board.
    Chy
    I just wanted to warn that trying to duplicate an old circuit with modern chips can lead to unexpected problems. If you don't know about the speed change it can be very confusing to you. I had to go through some old product designs done by another engineer and replace all the circuits like the above with stable ones. Where possible I used digital timing so it's exactly the same every time, but at least using parts with known Schmidt trigger inputs or analog parts makes one happier at the end of the day.

    Because of that same issue, I started adding an extra resistor to all my crystal oscillator circuits. The old design started randomly jumping to third overtone which isn't at all what was intended.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jdurand View Post
    ----- If you don't know about the speed change it can be very confusing to you. ------
    I know a little about it so this is not my case though.

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    Adding Digital Generators to an Old Analogue TIG Welder-f9650eaf-2e5f-473c-bc68-09da7e1b2820.jpeg

    Adding Digital Generators to an Old Analogue TIG Welder-f4dbc84a-3927-4c90-9e00-1f8ade59460e.jpeg

    Setting means a lot to this retrofit-unit, for this MIXTIG setting better use 70% to 80% alternative current wave, and 30% to 20% dirrect current especially for thinner aluminium like above case, 1.5mm thick.

    Several hits and errors made me get information of better setting.
    Hope you can do it better than these above!

    Chy


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