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Black ice causes pileup.
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Previously:
https://www.homemadetools.net/forum/...033#post149261
https://www.homemadetools.net/forum/...832#post144235
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It is clear there is a long straight distance someone would be able to see that up ahead there might be something wrong the prudent thing to do would be gin to slow down as soon as you first notice what's up ahead instead of waiting until you are right on top of everything. Black ice or no black ice most of those vehicles wouldn't have been able to stop in time had there been dry pavement.
But they can always blame it on their unsafety devices like the collision avoidance systems for their lack of attention.
It is very troubling how inattentive SO MANY drivers are. As Frank said, the "safety" devices have not made us any safer, they have made us less safe without a doubt.
Unsafe driving is deeply rooted societal problem. I always shocked when people I worked with would say things to indicate how worried they were that their child may not pass their driving test. My comment was along the lines if you are worried they are not good enough to pass that worthless test, they have no business on the road.
I don't understand how people dont have to slow down in dense fog. They must have bionic "fog vision". Black ice will sure get your attention. My wife doesn't understand why I don't make more use of backup camera instead of mirrors.
What can you say! Some of those people obviously cant drive. Too much reliance on the cars so called safety features. Pay attention people.
I am a firm believer that everyone should have to learn to drive in the most beat up nearly wore out vehicle that can be obtained it should just barely be road worthy with tires that will only squeak by a safety check no power brakes no power steering no Air-conditioning no heater no automatic transmission a sticky clutch. the brakes should pull slightly to the right one time and to the left the next time but not enough that they will fail a safety insp. and above all no radio. They should practice on rural streets until they are confident to drive to the nearest small town and work their way up to city driving but before they are allowed behind the wheel for the first time they need ride in a Semi on the highway and in the city for a few days while listening to a driver who has been driving heavy haul over dimensional for several years He will ask them questions along the way to insure they are observant enough to be allowed behind the wheel of a vehicle. I did this for both of my daughters. for my oldest I had her ride in the truck with me while I had a D9 cat on the trailer we drove around the Streets of Dallas for 8 hours one day You don't want to know how much I spent on the permit and the argument I went through with the permit agency. She is 48 now and has never been ticketed or been involved in an accident which was her fault My youngest is 44 with nearly the same driving record she has to drive over 140 miles to work and back every day because she loves where she lives and loves teaching at the school she has been teaching at for 19 years so she has some speeding violations
A 12" spike projecting from the centre of the steering wheel instead of an air bag and no seat belts might focus them on driving instead of their mobile devices...
The air bag may even be more deadly than the spike thoughQuote:
Originally Posted by NeiljohnUK
But, with the air bag, you don't see it coming. The shrapnel just explodes into your face with no warming, so the fear factor that might make you drive more carefully is lost.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frank S
Several years ago I was riding with a friend of mine once we were driving through a large city on the freeways, he would run up right behind a vehicle in front of us then suddenly switch lanes weaving in and out of first 1 lane and then the other. After a while I asked him to please switch off the passenger side air bag. He gave me an astonished look and asked why. I said because I'd like for at least one of us to survive the wreck we are going to have from the way you drive. He muttered something unintelligible then said the switch in the glove compartment switch it off it you want. I did and it wasn't 2 minutes later that someone who was a more aggressive driver than he side swiped us, not bad just enough to exchange paint colors. Not his fault somehow, and not hard enough to set off any bags, but he blames me to this day for causing the accident.Quote:
Originally Posted by hemmjo
I learned to drive in a beat up '40 Ford pickup out in a 5 acre pasture. All I was told was to stay in the pasture, stay under 30 and if it starts bucking the only way to stop it is to push in the clutch. After a couple of hours I started to figure out how to operate it and my driving got better. I got my license at 14 but I had been driving back roads for years before that.
Unbelievable that there was a stopped car well before the pile up, and people did not even slow down.
I got my license at 14 as well Growing up on a farm us kids were driving and operating things from the time we were big enough to reach all the pedals and strong enough to pull all of the leavers. The county judge gave me my first driving permit. We had loaded a load of lumber and plywood to be taken to Colorado to one of my uncles farms, Grandpa had to go to the hospital dad was out on the road somewhere working on someone's truck everyone else had jobs they couldn't take time off from so I told the black smith where I worked that I would be gone a few days on farm business I hopped in grandpa's B model Mack and took off for Co. My uncle couldn't believe I had made the trip by myself but was glad I had. After unloading we loaded the trailer with things that needed brought to Texas. I made it all the way back to Decater Tx. when the County Sherriff saw me and pulled me over to ask my reason for being alone as anytime he had ever seen me in the truck either driving or riding my dad or grandpa had been in the truck. After my explanation about our situation to him he hauled me to the county judge where the sheriff and the judge decided it was best I be issued a hardship license them knowing our family farm's business took precedence over good sense. until 6 years ago I had never held a regular operators license I had always had a chauffer's or a Class AQuote:
Originally Posted by Crusty
There was no app on their phone to tell them to slow downQuote:
Originally Posted by Ralphxyz
My late father always held the opinion that everyone should have pass their motorcycle test before the car test and I dont mean with ABS and traction control, nothing else prepares you better for reading the road and traffic conditions and what travelling at 70 + mph actually feels like. After 50 years on two wheels I still look out for pot holes, manhole covers, white lines etc when car driving. Modern drivers seem to think they are immune from outside conditions. I agree that the present driving test is woefully inadequate and a lot of the self employed driving instructors that I encounter could do with a few lessons themselves. This from a UK prospective.
Certainly, better driver education is needed, but...
Most of the modern improvements are here to stay. You'll never see cars sold without ABS and backup cameras just as you'll never see manual chokes and vacuum-powered wipers again.
If you want people to learn to drive without these features because of some anticipated apocalyptic event, then start with everyone learning to drive a stick shift since those will be the type of vehicles to survive the EMP or whatever you're expecting.
The average airhead wildly clutching and finger-farking his fone is so incompetent the idea of him smoothly shifting or double clutching is real, honest to Zeus, ROTFLMAO material.
I don't know how the UK 2 wheel test is now but I remember years ago you had either 2 or 3 size class permits I seem to remember there was 1 for the small scooter class then the large bike class and possibly an intermediate of around 250 cc . Watching a friend taking the slow roll maneuvering test on a single cylinder 500cc BSA was a trip in itselfQuote:
Originally Posted by olderdan
Un fortunately you are correct Marv. ABS has its points both good and bad for an experienced long time attentive driver it is not necessarily the best braking feature ever invented. the feature can and will help avoid trouble in some weather conditions. but can and will get an inexperienced driver in just as much trouble as they would find themselves in had their vehicle not been so equipped. There is nothing wrong with backup cameras especially when trying to hook up to a trailer you have not previously towed. beyond that the only reason for them that I can see is to monitor those idiots who have a need to drive right against your back bumper in cars so small that they don't show up in your side view mirrors. These Kryptonite Zenon radon or whatever Led headlamps that allow a driver to see 20 miles down the road warrant a load of 00buck shot to each one when you meet someone on a 2 lane road at night. No matter when they remember to dim their lights if they even do so without the vehicle doing it automatically the on coming driver has already had their night vision ruined miles before they even near the oncoming vehicle. And it should be illegal to retrofit them to an older vehicle unless they are properly adjusted by a machine.Quote:
Originally Posted by mklotz
Sadly stick shift is becoming increasingly hard to get in a newer vehicle Even in Semi trucks there are more automatics being sold than standards Almost none of the LT truck manufactures even offer them in their pickups any more
If it launches their mobile device into their face possibly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frank S
Hey, go easy Frank, sounds like you're describing my fourby.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frank S
Good grief-fog is terrifying. Ten years ago, westbound on Interstate 10, 20 miles out of Austin. Seven in the morning, and the fog was *dense*. We hit a wheel that came off of a truck from an accident in the Eastbound lane a few seconds earlier.
I managed to pull waaay off the roadway, knowing that we’d surely get hit by someone with fog vision coming in hot behind us.
Scary stuff.
Ice fog even more so, or it is for me. One night while west bound on I30 between Little Rock and Texarkana along that area where the pulp wood mills were. cold about 20degrees but clear roads a truck about 1/2 to 3/4 mile in front of me pulling a flatbed trailer. Minimum DOT required lights I was pulling a stacked up 2+2+2 RGN Lights all the across the tail plus matching number of lights on the stinger stacked on the rear of the trailer a Rotating beacon on the stinger for when loaded and permitted we were driving along about 65 maybe 70 when suddenly I can't see his lights I mean almost instantly they were not visible, I hear a guy on the CB yelling fog back out of it, almost just as fast I couldn't see much further than my hood Off the peddle turned on the beacon lights on the top of the sleeper and the back of the stinger , then down through the gears. I was down to about 30 MPH and less than 60 feet from the back of his rig before I even caught a glimpse of the glow from his lights, he was still running maybe 10 MPH. rotating beacons will pierce fog better than static lights or strobes. The guy in front asks driver are you anywhere near that eerie yellow corona behind me? when I first saw in my mirrors, I thought the aliens were cashing me. it just kept creeping closer and closer.Quote:
Originally Posted by bob47907
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In reference to the original video, WHY is it that when people are running for their lives,
they never take the shortest path to safety. Instead they try to outrun the danger,
instead of just stepping aside and letting it go by!! Why not just step to the side of the road?
Because people's minds shut down in a panic situation, their only instinct is to flee there is nothing left to tell them to seek the bast pathway to safety.Quote:
Originally Posted by hemmjo
