Lathe Cross Feed Screw and Nut

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Oct 31, 2018, 01:51 AM
rossbotics

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Lathe Cross Feed Screw and Nut

I noticed here a while back that the cross feed screw and bronze nut on my 6913 Clausing Lathe was developing quite a bit of backlash so I decided it was time to address the issue, I sent an e-mail to Clausing Mfg. asking for the availability and cost of a new bronze cross feed nut, not by surprise but they still make parts for these older machines and are readily available, the nut was $110.00 and shipping was $22.00 WOW!!! I would hate to know what a lead screw would cost.

I ordered a piece of 5/8-10 left hand acme lead screw 12”long from roton.com they specialize in lead screws and nuts, the 12”piece was only $26.00 including shipping, I couldn’t find a suitable bronze nut to modify from Roton so I had to decide on what road to take with this bronze nut because Clausing wasn’t getting any of my money, I looked into buying a solid carbide ½” shank #10 preformed acme threading bar but it was astronomical as well $97.00 without shipping, so I decided to make a small boring bar to hold a 1/8” square Cobalt Hss tool bit, the threading bar is made from a piece of 1/2" round by 5” long O-1 steel turned down to 3/8” for 2” long on the end where the tool bit will be, I machined a .140” X .140” square punch from O-1 steel hardened and ground to .130” X .130” square, I drilled a .147” cross hole in the threading bar then broached the .130” square while it was still in the milling machine, the entire boring bar was then hardened and tempered, the 1/8”Hss tool bit was setup in my universal grinding fixture to grind the correct form of 29° and 8° side clearances for cutting the #10 acme thread, the bronze acme nut was made from a piece of 2.250” round by 2.000” long 954 bronze (which I had) I machined it similar to the factory design then chucked it in a 4 jaw chuck and threaded the inside to fit the new Roton lead screw.

I’m only replacing 12” of the lead screw itself, I’m not making a complete shaft, I done this by cutting off the threaded area on the old lead screw and machined a .4385” dia. pilot on one end 2” back, I then drilled and reamed one end of the new lead screw to .4375” by 2.125” DP, the assembly was setup in the lathe between centers and pressed together, I then drilled and installed a 1/8” roll pin to further secure the joint along with the .001”press fit, I put a dial indicator on the lathe and checked it for straightness finding it was out .006” but that was an easy enough challenge to tackle with a plastic hammer, the unit was then installed into the machine, while watching the machine dial on the cross feed screw I turned the handle left and right finding I had .005” backlash in the screw instead of previously having .055”.

I have included multiple photos making the tools it took to do this job with along with photos and a video of making the new nut and repairing the cross feed screw.

As always thanks for looking and happy machining.
Comments are always welcome.
Doug

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Oct 31, 2018, 05:49 PM
bruce.desertrat

Love the 'Well, I made a tool to make a tool to repair my tool' sequence of events. :-) Masterful work, as usual! :bow: That's for the link to roton.com...that will come in handy.
Oct 31, 2018, 05:51 PM
Topos

Rossbotics, thank you for a most brilliantly presented step by step tutorial. Having an Atlas 618 which is a 'door-stop' version of your lathe I too had to order a NOS bronze nut. Not as expensive yet I know that a next project will be to emulate your skill and make a tighter version. Thank you for your generosity and
inspiration. Best.
Nov 1, 2018, 12:30 AM
Frank S

Love your repair, excellent workmanship as you always do. making a tool to make a tool using other homemade tools to hold that tool while making it then making the part to repair the lathe is classic.
years ago I had an old lathe with a worn cross feed nut not time to make new at the time so sawed a slot in the nut most of the way through drilled the body from the end then taped the bore and counter drilled out the threads of one half used a 10-24 socket head screw to slightly deform the nut. A dirty but quick fix that tightened the nut for years
Nov 1, 2018, 04:12 AM
bigtrev8xl

Superb workmanship.
Nov 1, 2018, 07:04 AM
rossbotics

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Originally Posted by bruce.desertrat

Love the 'Well, I made a tool to make a tool to repair my tool' sequence of events. :-) Masterful work, as usual! :bow: That's for the link to roton.com...that will come in handy.

Thanks bruce.desertrat
A tool for a tool and another tool

Doug
Nov 1, 2018, 10:31 AM
PJs

Impeccable write up and pics Doug. Seen a lot of this being done on YT and various places and this is by far the best of them. Workin that tiny .125 bit and the broach is off the charts, on top of all the ops! Thanks Always for sharing your great work and thinking processes.

PJ
Nov 1, 2018, 12:54 PM
rossbotics

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Originally Posted by Topos

Rossbotics, thank you for a most brilliantly presented step by step tutorial. Having an Atlas 618 which is a 'door-stop' version of your lathe I too had to order a NOS bronze nut. Not as expensive yet I know that a next project will be to emulate your skill and make a tighter version. Thank you for your generosity and
inspiration. Best.

Thank you very much for your comments Topos

Doug
Nov 1, 2018, 10:39 PM
rossbotics

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Originally Posted by Frank S

Love your repair, excellent workmanship as you always do. making a tool to make a tool using other homemade tools to hold that tool while making it then making the part to repair the lathe is classic.
years ago I had an old lathe with a worn cross feed nut not time to make new at the time so sawed a slot in the nut most of the way through drilled the body from the end then taped the bore and counter drilled out the threads of one half used a 10-24 socket head screw to slightly deform the nut. A dirty but quick fix that tightened the nut for years

Thanks for your compliments Frank
a lot of bronze nuts are easily repaired like you say and have done, but if you noticed how thin of a wall was on the old nut I had it would have been nearly impossible to split it and deform it, I really wasn't looking forward to all the extremities I went through to make the nut but it did come out well, hopefully I want have to ever make another one.
Thanks Again Frank
Doug
Nov 1, 2018, 10:41 PM
rossbotics

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Originally Posted by bigtrev8xl

Superb workmanship.

Thank You Very Much bigtrev8x1

Doug
Nov 1, 2018, 10:48 PM
rossbotics

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Originally Posted by PJs

Impeccable write up and pics Doug. Seen a lot of this being done on YT and various places and this is by far the best of them. Workin that tiny .125 bit and the broach is off the charts, on top of all the ops! Thanks Always for sharing your great work and thinking processes.

PJ

Thanks You Very Much Mr. PJs for your encouraging comments, I was wondering if I was going to be able to pull off the 1/8" broaching, but it only had to go through 3/8" of steal, with a .147" hole to start with before broaching which relieved a lot pressure on the little broach, worked great though

Thanks Buddy

Doug
Nov 2, 2018, 09:17 AM
Frank S

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Originally Posted by rossbotics

Thanks for your compliments Frank
a lot of bronze nuts are easily repaired like you say and have done, but if you noticed how thin of a wall was on the old nut I had it would have been nearly impossible to split it and deform it, I really wasn't looking forward to all the extremities I went through to make the nut but it did come out well, hopefully I want have to ever make another one.
Thanks Again Frank
Doug

Yes I noticed that yours like so many lathes do not easily lend themselves to having a nut that can be adjusted .
Also some lathes came factory with an adjustable nut.
I've ran lathes that were so badly worn from age that even if they did have an adjustable cross feed nut it would not have done any good because like yours the screw was also badly worn that the only way to get any tightness at all would be to set the compound (top slide) to "0" then run it all the way to one extreme or the other in hopes of being out of the wear zone.
Badly worn half nuts and lead screws are another issue that is often difficult to work around. there are a lot of shops where their machine tools are not part of their main business so the older well worn equipment is just fine for what they occasionally need a lathe or mill for. sometimes I would do some work at their place and need to machine this or that, I have mounted the 3 jaw in the 4 jaw or vice versa at times. just to get out of a badly worn area
Nov 6, 2018, 07:36 AM
DIYer


Thanks rossbotics! We've added your Lathe Cross Feed Screw and Nut to our Lathe Accessories category,
as well as to your builder page: rossbotics's Homemade Tools. Your receipt:

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Nov 3, 2020, 05:29 PM
marksbug

without tools where wood we bee?? kinda like the chicken witch came first the chicken or the egg?? so witch came first the tool or the tool... as for the chicken conundrum... it wasent the chicken or the egg,,,it was the rooster that came first:rofl: and a tool was used to make a tool....or was it? but just think. it we never progressed past a set of vice scrips.... what good would they be if there were no rounded off nuts to use them on. keep up the great work guys!!!!and always remember, every thing you do and post it helps somebody else figure out the issue they may be pulling hair from.