new hobby lathe pencil sharpener

well my guy is on his way to pick up my new hobby lathe at least that is what I told him it was. he knows he is going to pick up nearly a full step deck trailer load of machines for me but I wish I could be there to see the look on his face when he sees this little lathe
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My wife asked me what I was going to use it for and I said I don't know maybe sharpen pencils with it.
It is factory raised to be able to turn the full 36" over the carriage
total length is between 21 to 23 feet. So I'm guessing maybe 10 or 12 between centers

Your going to need an inverter the size of your house to power that bad boy! I’m super jealous!
All the best to you. Now all you need is a mill of similar size to compliment it.

My wife will not let me build another shop, the intent to prevent any more hoarding. You are lucky you have the space for this beast.
How big is the head stock through hole? My puny lathe has a 80mm through hole, but a shrimp in all other comparisons to 36" throw.
I do understand, you've probably ran up against limitations of your current machines, this should fix that....... temporarily.

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Originally Posted by Radioman

Your going to need an inverter the size of your house to power that bad boy! I’m super jealous!
All the best to you. Now all you need is a mill of similar size to compliment it.

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When I saw it and told the guy I'd like to have it. It was nearly buried under tons of boxes. He asked what I could possibly want with a lathe that size.
Just so I can say I got one if nothing else. I use to have a 1917 Johnson 20" lathe 12 ft bed that had half or the gears broken but it would run at 1 slow speed which was perfect for threading the ends of 8" hydraulic cylinders A guy cam in one day and asked if I could turn the Of of a 16" sch 160 pipe and thread it He had been to several big machine shops and none of them had anything large enough.
So the way I figure it if nothing else I will have large chunk of iron for thermal mass in the shop.

Thing is, it will take a week to reach room temp. Then you have to keep it heated and busy! What have you got there? Leblond, Monarch, Lodge & Shipley,G&L? I would think it would be around 15 to 20 hp. Looks good sir!

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My wife will not let me build another shop, the intent to prevent any more hoarding. You are lucky you have the space for this beast.
How big is the head stock through hole? My puny lathe has a 80mm through hole, but a shrimp in all other comparisons to 36" throw.
I do understand, you've probably ran up against limitations of your current machines, this should fix that....... temporarily.

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My wife thinks that I should wait until I have my shop built before getting these things. But what if I had an opportunity to get one of these and my shop was already built
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Or one of these
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Or possibly this for cracking black walnuts
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Thing is, it will take a week to reach room temp. Then you have to keep it heated and busy! What have you got there? Leblond, Monarch, Lodge & Shipley,G&L? I would think it would be around 15 to 20 hp. Looks good sir!

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When I looked at it I couldn't get close enough to see what it was or the HP but I'm thinking it should be upwards of 30 hp
I have a 26" leblond with a 7.5 hp way under powered. my 17" Leblond is under powered as well it only has a 3 hp on it. I use to have a little victor 16x40 tool room lathe with 7.5 Hp on it now that was the perfect size motor for that lathe
I also have a 1917 16inch Leblond with a 1 hp but the gears in it will only take about 1.5 to possibly 2 hp
I have 3 8hp motors that I could build a rotary converter out of by paralleling them, with enough run capacitors I would be able to achieve a near perfect leg to leg balance at near full RPM then I would be able to run a 20 HP with no problem also a little hack that few know about is if you add capacitors to the machine's motor to help balance out the phases then switch it on and allow it to be an idler say you have a 3x8 converter running a 20 hp as an idler only you can power up an 40 hp machine down stream as long as your cableing and switch gear matches the largest of these motors. It works the same way as using 2 car batteries to start a larger vehicle as long as everything is in parallel
But what I will probably do is have the electric company set a 2nd transformer and have 3 ph I already have a quad 00 service run but am only using 2 of the legs and the neutral.

Could go the amish rout and gang 2, v4 Wisconsin gas motors together with a massive flywheel to smooth things out. (In an effort of full disclosure I have a bit of an obsession with Wisconsin v4 motors ;-) )
Eric

That IS a lathe to put a smile on one's face.
The duly lift truck in the picture looks very much like the big lift my boss has at his shop. Put 8 gallons of hydraulic oil in it and still nothing on the dipstick. Told em to order another drum. Leaks just sitting. All said likely the most reliable lift truck he has after we converted it to lp. 12.5 k capasity but have picked around 14 at a guess, could only go straight, not enough weight on the steer wheels to turn. Not good when details don't matter and the office dwellers take on jobs the business is not equipped for, like 36" sch 80 concrete lined water main shipped at 40' lengths including casing and insulation.
Eric

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Frank, from looking at the photo, it appears (at least to me) that the head stock and tail stock have a spacer added to raise them up. It may be some optical trickery I'm seeing. If this is the case, I wonder if this was a factory modification.

Suther,
Reminds me of our family lumber yard in Nor Calif. We had a Hyster RC150, 7.5 tonne, but we used to try to lift 2 units of green 2x12 16-20' Calif Redwood....just to save time. The rear wheels would come of the ground in reverse, so ya had to go veerrry slowly. The hydraulics could lift maybe 8-9 tonnes...Possibly the best driving large forklift I can remember. My last one was a 2 1/2 tonne Komatsu for my plywood business in Sydney, another beaut machine...alas, now I have to make do with a chain hoist and rolling carts...jeez, getting old is hard! Cheers
Jim

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Originally Posted by metric_taper

Frank, from looking at the photo, it appears (at least to me) that the head stock and tail stock have a spacer added to raise them up. It may be some optical trickery I'm seeing. If this is the case, I wonder if this was a factory modification.

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Yes there is a riser under the head stock and the tail stock This would actually give it 48" swing between the chuck and the carriage but 36 over the carriage.

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Yes there is a riser under the head stock and the tail stock This would actually give it 48" swing between the chuck and the carriage but 36 over the carriage.

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Looks like someone needed a little more swing
somewhere over the decades.

What is the make of this lathe? I have a 20" that looks like this that is made by Cincinnati Lathe & Tool Co. The handles and gear change box are identical and the paint color looks the same.

A guy I used to work for bought an old lathe that's capable of turning 4' diameter stainless tubing 12' long with 6' diameter flanges welded at each end to build the vacuum enclosure for the UT Rail Gun research project. He used it to turn and face the end flanges and cut o-ring grooves. It's totally awesome and scary to watch at the same time. It takes a real man to crank those two handed handles on it because it's all old technology, but at least there's a crane for work piece handling.

Just had an image come into my head of pencils the size of big power line poles...;-)
Eric

You could turn baseball bats for Paul Bunyon....

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Originally Posted by Radioman

Looks like someone needed a little more swing
somewhere over the decades.

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Pretty sure it was factory raised this was fairly common to allow for larger swing over the carriage. Years ago I had a Clausing lathe that had been raised and the top of the cross slide had been milled or gouged out by a tool in the chuck. pretty sure the hollowed out spot was not factory

Well the stuff is loaded and will be headed for Tx later this evening.
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I see it. I love it but I’d hate to pay for it!
I have a Bridgeport and a 10" Logan lathe and I do what I can.
I’d love to have the ability to get equipment like this.
Enjoy it! Send us photos when you get them spinning.

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I see it. I love it but I’d hate to pay for it!
I have a Bridgeport and a 10" Logan lathe and I do what I can.
I’d love to have the ability to get equipment like this.
Enjoy it! Send us photos when you get them spinning.

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Going to be a while before they are spinning Right now I'm having to build a gantry crane just to be able to help unload the big lathe I have 6" pipe for the legs and might have to double stack a pair of 8" beams if I can't locate my piece of 14" heavy beam

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There'll be a coin toss for which forklift does the backing up; it's a l-oooong way Connecticut to Texas.

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There'll be a coin toss for which forklift does the backing up; it's a l-oooong way Connecticut to Texas.

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I've spent the past 5 days moving things around clearing a space to put the machines when they arrive you'd think with 17 acres find a suitable place to unload for storage until the shop is finished would be easy. It is reported that they coated every machined surface with a moisture and rust inhibiting wax called cavity coater by KBS products it is the same exact thing the Navy uses to coat cavities in fighter jets but under a different name. the stuff is expensive but I have s couple can of it to touch up after unloading before I cover everything with tarps and shrink wrap to help keep the dust and rain off.
Also I am having to build a rather large A frame gantry crane to assist in lifting the large lathe we are just going to transfer it to another trailer so it will be easier to move into the shop later.

Frank s,
I have a bit of an understanding of what you are going thru. It took about 6 months from purchase of my little stienel milling machine to first chips in my shop. What a pleasure when the cheapo vfd phase converter worked and the mill made chips. From trying to run the mill at my bosses shop being a failure due to unbalanced 3 phase to waiting for the weather to cooperate. Then getting a trailer that could transport it without laying the mill down to jumping on the chance to trade a bag of cat food with my cousin for help getting the mill from the trailer to its corner of the shop. Now its finely
just learning curve ahead and tooling. Hope you get well deserved satisfaction from the machines when you get them installed and working.
Eric

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........<snipped> machined surface with a moisture and rust inhibiting wax called cavity coater by KBS products it is the same exact thing the Navy uses to coat cavities in fighter jets but under a different name.......

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Preserving machine ways and other finished surfaces can be a challenge. There is a specific group of products like Frank S mentions, used commercially too. One overlooked trait when people try spraying lubricant-type products is they are wet, and run off the intended surfaces. Darn ol' gravity. Being wet, they'll also allow dirt and dust to adhere.
Besides Navy and other operators of equipment in salt water environments, the real pro's of anti-corrosive protection are moldmakers and injection mold owners. Their sprays go on and dry quickly, effectively sealing like the wax mentioned above, but still costly.

My recommendation, while unsuitable for harsh conditions alone, is easy, quick enough, and surprisingly economical. It's helpful to have a helper for this. Coat horizontal surfaces with way lube, old motor oil, mineral oil, even olive oil, vertical areas with common auto grease and 'glue' plastic wrap for food to those areas. I'm guessing 60% or more readers have that wrap in a kitchen drawer, and replacement might be .99¢. I'm looking at a box, material is 12" wide x 66 yards long or 200 square feet [18.5 m²].
So if your lathe has 100 foot ways and you have a quart saved from last oil change. . .

I whole heartedly agree with TM51 protect, protect, protect with what ever you have available and don't be stingy, Far better to have to have a machine steam cleaned when ready to put into service than to have to do a complete teardown and rebuild which is what I may have to do to a few of my machines that were not properly put into storage. many years before I got them. And my Cleareman jig drill that I had left in the care of the guy who rented my old shop is in pretty bad shape My partner in the commercial property we owned together formed a holding company to collect the rents and take care of the properties had to evict the guy for non pymt. of rent but the holding company had allowed this to go on for several years before telling the guy to get out. My machines and equipment were considered station property but this guy deciced he was going to take it all with him he got away with 3 lathes 2 Bridgeport's 2 radial arm drill presses and a host of welding equipment and work tables beofer they realized what he was doing he had the clearman outside ready to comeback and load it when they caught him none of the machines and equipment were recovered and the clearman was just left outside for 6 years before I returned I loaded it up and put it inside a van trailer every thing was already rusted badly and not having any way to really deal with it at the time I dumped a bunch of old oil and grease on it some day soon I am really going to have deal with it.

Well my toys arrived about 10PM tonight the big lathe may have the number 36 inches molded into the casting but it can swing 54" between the carriage and the chuck. the Brand is American. the little lathe is a Sheldon

Well we got everything unloaded
it was all my backhoe wanted but the old gal did the job.
I was genuinely amazed at the good condition all of the machines are. All were still under power in the shop but had so much debris piled against and on top of them that when I first saw them I couldn't get close enough to them to check them out. the Cincinnati horizontal mill has the T50 taper as to be expected but it also has a rt angle attachment head bolted to the table I didn't see that when I saw the mill the first time this means I can do vertical milling as well as horizontal boring the table is 12 x54 this one in infinite variable speed spindle my old one as I remember it, was transmission selected gearing but it has been a long time since it has been gone.
the 6 head drill press in variable speed as well
the little Sheldon lathe looks like a brand new 70 year old machine it is in such good condition. 6 1/2" awing over the cross slide and 36" between centers can swing 13" at the chuck
the Big American Tool co. lathe has 36" cast into the power head and with the riser blocks can swing 54" at the chuck I couldn't find and wear or damage to the ways either.
the Tig machine is a 525 amp machine complete with water cooler foot peddle and torch. Not sure what I'm going to do with it as what I really needed was a little 250 amp machine or even a 180amp for the tig welding that I might ever do.
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You'll want to find or fabricate a parking attachment for the Cincinnati's vertical head, very difficult to mount otherwise. If you can find some part or model numbers, I bet your 562 area code buddy can find a good description or actual part.
The production drill with six heads, running coolant can outrun a CNC with box or plate jigs. I like those machines with hand tight Albrecht chucks, one quick change like a BIG-Daishiwa [formerly Sheppard] or Magic Chucks, and a small tapping head. They look to be #3MT, it would handle 1/2"/ 12-14mm taps in most materials.
I see they are wired with plugs; my favorite L16-20 twist locks. Fuse them at the wall, twist lock for disconnects!
And that 3rd picture; what is THAT; some kind of paper weight? Lol, maybe a salesman sample?

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You'll want to find or fabricate a parking attachment for the Cincinnati's vertical head, very difficult to mount otherwise. If you can find some part or model numbers, I bet your 562 area code buddy can find a good description or actual part.
The production drill with six heads, running coolant can outrun a CNC with box or plate jigs. I like those machines with hand tight Albrecht chucks, one quick change like a BIG-Daishiwa [formerly Sheppard] or Magic Chucks, and a small tapping head. They look to be #3MT, it would handle 1/2"/ 12-14mm taps in most materials.
I see they are wired with plugs; my favorite L16-20 twist locks. Fuse them at the wall, twist lock for disconnects!
And that 3rd picture; what is THAT; some kind of paper weight? Lol, maybe a salesman sample?

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The Leyland Gifford 6 head has MT3 spindles 2 of the heads have power feed and one of them has a reduction gear box on the top of the motor the rest are 3600 RPM motors with a variable speed controller that adjusts to a lower RPM An up grade to a SCR or VFD would probably no be a bad idea. These hollow shaft motors would be as difficult find for replacements 6.6 Fl amps puts them in the 2 HP range the charts on the speed controller shows the recommended ft/min cutting and drill size speed 5/8" being the max size.
Have a look at the table there is not a single divot in it this tells me that this machine never saw a part drilled that was not held in a fixture it has the single torque and location slot right down the middle it would have been nice to had found the top indexing plate but I did receive 2 of the 8" quick clamp vices
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You say this is a paper weight compared to yours and my way of thinking you are correct however many is the time when I have wanted a smaller machine to do the smaller jobs instead of firing up a 3 to 25 hp machine I can run 10x the parts in a shorter time frame on a small machine like this and runn it all day long on less electricity than it takes just to switch on a larger machine.
Jane asked me why on Earth did I need 5 lathes count-em FIVE. I just told her because I used to have 4 and sometimes had all 4 of them turning at the same time while she ran the drill press the Bridgeport a band saw and sometimes a horizontal mill at the same time.
To that she said yeah but we don't have 6 or 8 guys welding for us now for us to try and keep ahead of them LOL
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Our being 25 years older might have something to do with her thinking I don't actually need 5 lathes and 3 mills 4 band saws and 78 welding machines and so far no shop to put them all in

Well the paperweight quip was only comparative. There are entire industries that prosper on those alone.
After the current action finishes with punch presses, spot-welders and ironworkers, there is one Logan I've taken shots at over time. Owner resists, though it never gets used. It's attractions are Varispeed, chucks and collets, a lever-operated sensitive rig for the tailstock, and a drop on [saddle] turret. Until need arise past 21" diameter, this and the Pacemaker I think cover any projects in mind. Over the years, been few jobs demanding a shaft lathe [mol 150" between centers]. Since diameter generally over rule length IMO, the best options seem to be VTL/ VBM's like Kings and Bullard's. And huge savings in floor space.

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Well the paperweight quip was only comparative. There are entire industries that prosper on those alone.
After the current action finishes with punch presses, spot-welders and ironworkers, there is one Logan I've taken shots at over time. Owner resists, though it never gets used. It's attractions are Varispeed, chucks and collets, a lever-operated sensitive rig for the tailstock, and a drop on [saddle] turret. Until need arise past 21" diameter, this and the Pacemaker I think cover any projects in mind. Over the years, been few jobs demanding a shaft lathe [mol 150" between centers]. Since diameter generally over rule length IMO, the best options seem to be VTL/ VBM's like Kings and Bullard's. And huge savings in floor space.

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There was a twin tool Bullard or King with tool grinder attachment about 15 to 20 tons or more worth of hog iron was about all it was worth though. Someone like you or me could have done a refurb on it and made a useful machine out of it but several things kept my mouth shut. #1 it was tall enough and large enough that it would have been a permit load on any double drop. the small tool column was 8" in diameter 8ft turn table #2 there was no way I was going to have access to something to load or unload it #3 the freight would have cost as much as the machine and #4 until a complete tear down and refurb it would have just been yard art. I've got enough of that LOL. Plus I'm not planning on seeking that aspect of business. But I guess I could have been that guy who said I got one.