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https://www.homemadetools.net/forum/...842#post186778
https://www.homemadetools.net/forum/...235#post211297
https://www.homemadetools.net/forum/...980#post213907
https://www.homemadetools.net/forum/...965#post224160
https://www.homemadetools.net/forum/...086#post141182
Water in the oil...
Yup exactly. That's a blown head gasket right there.Quote:
Originally Posted by IntheGroove
Maintenance?, check the oil?, what's that?, service engine light is on?, but it still it ran ok?. I have seen this many times. Back in the sixty's part of drivers training was basic maintenance. That went by the wayside.
I remember hearing about the Obama "green car" drive where they were pouring water glass into old cars to prevent people salvaging parts of the old cars - what effect would that have on the oil?
That was such a shame. They did enormous environmental damage in the name of being green, and wiped out the used car market to the point where it still hasn't recovered. Good job guys.Quote:
Originally Posted by desbromilow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1_JybAPtiU
Well, that's just not true on either count. Getting and keeping those cars off the road actually drove both the new and used car markets, keeping sales steady at a time where there likely would have been a downturn. And most of the cars that were removed failed emissions or had other serious (not worth fixing) problems. Also, those cars were scrapped for parts and/or recyclable materials.Quote:
Originally Posted by nova_robotics
However, I will concede that, if you are looking to restore your 1984 Cadillac Cimarron to it's former "glory," you may be out of luck as a result of this program.
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Originally Posted by schuylergrace
There is no possible way wiping out 677,000 low value vehicles from the used car market in less than a year won't have a detrimental impact on used car prices. If we look at the used car price charts, we see a huge jump in prices right around 2009. Because of course it did.
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/CUSR0000SETA02
https://site.manheim.com/en/services...lue-index.html
Considering only CO2 emissions, there was a 0.4% improvement annual emissions of the light vehicle fleet in the US. So if you completely discount all of the environmental damage done by new materials needed to be mined, refined, new plastics manufactured, entire brand new cars produced and transported, as well as the disposal of all of the old vehicles, then you can call it an environmental win.
https://emagazine.com/the-cash-for-clunkers-conundrum/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Car_Al...mental_effects
https://css.umich.edu/publications/r...ons-life-cycle
The government set in place a number of unreasonable rules and deadlines that prevented the recycling of huge amounts of materials from these vehicles. As a result instead of being recycled as they normally would have, they went to landfills.
"The ARA attempted to reason with the government, lobbying to extend the 180 day deadline. They explained that the plastic and metal destroyed by premature shredding represented the same amount of energy found in 24 million barrels of oil, something that the CARS program was supposed to be saving."
"Estimates range, but as little as 3 million tons and as much as 4.5 million tons of toxic residue was sent to landfills as a direct result of the CARS program."
https://autoconversion.net/blog/auto...d-environment/
Cash for Clunkers was an economic stimulus package that was at best a lateral move for the environment, and at worst a blow to low income people in need of cheap transportation.
But But But ... it was virtue signaling pure and simple...Quote:
Originally Posted by nova_robotics
One man's clunker is another man's pride and ride...
Obviously, we all were effected mostly in a negative way by the "We're from the Government, and we're here to help." slimeballs. There was nothing virtuous about the cash for clunker program the way it was drawn up and implemented.Quote:
Originally Posted by BuffaloJohn
I know some people who used to buy A new vehicle when their old one was getting enough mileage to start having issues. Or when one of their children became olde enough to drive they would give the older unit to the kid and buy as new one. Others would trade in for a newer model only when theirs reached a certain age, usually those were pretty well maintained, so they would fetch as good trade in value regardless of age the CFC program killed the trade in values. made it against the law in some cases for a dealer to offer more than the program allotted for. May have cleaned up a few back yards of the derelicts stored back there but the limit on the total number of vehicles as a private citizen could turn in an take advantage of did little if anything to clean up the environment. Personally, I think the program was an effort to prop up the new car manufactures so they could sell their new junk and raise prices through the roof.
When I bought my ex wife a brand new 1987 Chrysler 5th avenue I paid less then 18K out the door full optioned list was closer to 30K though. Now if it were even possible to buy a quote un quote sedan of similar interior size it would cost 70k My 89 Full optioned Dodge D350 Diesel cost me 14K try buying a pickup even half as equipped as that one was and it will set you back 90K and still won't get more than 1MPG better mileage less when towing like mine did for 400,000 miles
I believe the original intent behind the Cash for Clunkers program was genuine. I really do think they were trying to do a good thing. Then there were a number of "closed door" meetings with auto industry lobbyists before the roll-out of the program, the program was completely gutted and rewritten, and this is the turd we were left with.
This is happened to me three times in the last 45 years. First time I was a mechanic in the Chevy dealership and on the second day I was there wrecker pulled in 69 Chevelle that the dealership and I just installed an engine a month before.. the owner drove the car to Florida, and it started knocking with no oil pressure. Because it was under warranty company had have a transported back to Kentucky from Florida. Mechanic drop the pan and the oil was solidified, but there was no other problems with the engine as far as leaks or modifications.. the oil was Quaker State.
The second time I was a mechanic in a commercial laundry to deliver uniforms and I had 13 trucks that I have to maintain. My rule for the drivers was for them to check the oil level every day before the day started.. a driver came and got me and says you need to listen to my truck. It was clattering pretty bad.. I checked the oil and it didn’t touch the stick. I had a couple quarts and checked again and it was over full. I thought it was due for oil change so I went and got the tools take care of it. Need to pull the drain plug and nothing came out.. stuck a screwdriver in the hole and it was like grease. I moved screwdriver around and finally got a trickle,was able to get about 3 quarts drained. Put plug back in and added a gallon of diesel fuel and ran about 20 minutes at idle and drained again. Added a quart diesel and refilled and sent him out and told him I would change oil again when he got back that afternoon,and changed again 2 days later, fortunately it was saved. That oil was bulk in a 55 gallon drum. It was Pennzoil salesman told me was probably a bad batch of additives.
The third time I loaned my daughter and son-in-law a jeep caravan order recall the big ones that look like a station wagon this is about 1990. Son-in-law called me and told me the Jeep had a problem. I went to check went to check oil and it was the same way. Son-in-law is really remorseful that he blows the engine up in my car and said he would figure out how to pay for it.. told him it wasn’t his fault and not worry about it. That was Pennzoil and had about 2000 miles on oil change. I fully believe quaker state in Pennzoil is that time we’re high paraffin based. Synthetic oil has changed the industry. We bought a 96 grand Am and it had synthetic oil his whole life changed every 5000 miles at 300,000 we gave it to our grandson. Have an 08 Hyundai ELANTRA that has 200,000 miles on it changed every 5000 miles still running no leaks and he doesn’t use between changes. We had a 2016 Tucson that ran full synthetic but we had to get rid of it because the transmission went out now we have a 2022 Tucson and oil is changed at 7500 miles.
A few things.
This was probably coolant in the oil. It's still slimy and semi-liquid, but that muddy chocolate texture is what that looks like. If you're a mechanic and have never seen this, I'd question how long you've been doing it. You see this from head gasket failures or intake manifold gasket failures on occasion. You also see it to a lesser extent if some genius leaves your drain pan out on the driveway and it gets rained in. :/
A related cool thing is if you put windshield wiper fluid in the oil. It solidifies it like Jell-O. Not liquid at all; you smack it and it just jiggles.
For a car that goes a long LONG time without an oil change you just get *black* sludge. The detergents finally give up in the oil and the muck just gloops onto everything. As long as the hydraulic lifters aren't completely gummed up you can usually bring these back to life.
On the cash-for-clunkers thing. That happened in 2009; you can see the impact on used car prices in the BLS data.
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There are many ways coolant can get in the oil. The most common on trucks with diesel's was leaking or cracked injector cups, water pumps driven with internal gears, cylinder liners with pitting or worn o-rings, cracked heads or blocks etc. I remember working on some small block Chevy's that needed sealant on the headbolts because coolant was getting in the oil. Sometimes you acquire some gray hairs diagnosing the problem but once you find it you never forget. :)
And exhaust manifolds on marine engines are a great source of water into the oil. If the manifold has a internal crack or is corroded, water can get sucked into the cylinder on overlap...
