A fast example of How to set up a sine bar

A fast example of
How to set up a sine bar
This is a video I made for my new students
hopefully this will save some time and prevent mistakes in the shop
Video URL
https://youtu.be/sg2wvY3zctw

Explanations of this technique of selecting blocks always seem to gloss over the fact that, even with the 81 block set, there are stack heights that cannot be constructed...

As an example, consider 5 * sin (1.25) = 0.10907 ~= 0.1091

0.1091 - 0.1001 = 0.009 and there is no block of this size.

This persists until the second digit to the right reaches 5, e.g....

0.1501 - 0.1001 = 0.050 and there is a 0.05 block.

but

0.15x1 where x is non-zero...

0.15x1 - 0.1001 - 0.05 = 0.00x and we're in trouble again.

I see where you are coming from with this but if we add the 0.009 and drop the 0.0001
The Hight or angle difference is less than what we can machine
If its for inspection we can add a 0.100 block to the other side to compensate for the difference
I hope this makes sense
Ray

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Originally Posted by shopandmath

I see where you are coming from with this but if we add the 0.009 and drop the 0.0001
The Hight or angle difference is less than what we can machine
If its for inspection we can add a 0.100 block to the other side to compensate for the difference
I hope this makes sense
Ray

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Well, if you can throw tenths away whenever they are inconvenient, why are you bothering with them in the first place?

The reality is that the average machinist will probably never need to machine an angle so accurately that he needs to consider the tenths. He really doesn't need gauge blocks except for the convenience when setting sinebars. Just calculate the stack height and machine a block to that dimension.

I discussed stack height errors at length in this post...

https://www.homemadetools.net/forum/...7695#post37510

where I showed that the error equation is...

dA = (1/cos(A)) * dS/L

and provided a table of angle errors corresponding to a 0.001 stack height error...


The error depends on the angle for which the sinebar is set. For:

L = 5 in
dS = 0.001 in

it looks like this:

5 0.0115029
10 0.0116359
15 0.0118634
20 0.0121946
25 0.0126438
30 0.0132319
35 0.013989
40 0.0149589
45 0.0162057
50 0.0178273
55 0.0199784
60 0.0229183
65 0.0271147
70 0.0335043
75 0.0442748
80 0.0659906
85 0.131479

where the first column is the angle, A, in degrees and the second column is
the error in A, dA, in degrees.

Since a sinebar is seldom used for angles greater than 40 degrees, we can
count on an angle error of less than 0.015 deg (0.25 mrad) if we can machine
the stack block to an accuracy of one thou. Unless you're making highly
critical components, don't be afraid to machine your own blocks for setting
the sine bar.

That is deep
I could not even start to explain this to my students
Thank you for the reply and the explanation
Ray

Thank you for the link
I do agree with you that gauge blocks are not always necessary
In some cases it is just as easy to use an adjustable parallel and might be faster
Ray

All the info given here has my brain locked up. Very good discussion from all. That's why I like this site.

Hi Guys
This video is made for my students that range from this is my first time in a shop to year 3 apprentices
Check out my other videos and give me your feed back
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC0a...hdlJy1OIlo1Qmw

You show care when wringing the blocks together, but then set a stack of them with a critical surface down on top of another gauge block's non-precision end in the box.
Not good practice!

In addition to using an adjustable parallel for the stack, there's another trick if you use a few angles frequently in your work.

Machine a rectangular block of steel such that each of its dimensions corresponds to the stack height needed for the three angles you set most frequently. Store it with the sinebar.

Remember too that sinebars are the tool of choice when you need to very accurately measure an existing angle. The procedure is described here...

https://www.homemadetools.net/forum/...7213#post85264

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I seam to have a hard time up loading photos
Getting new internet on Monday I hope that fixes the problem
If the photo does not load
There is a wire cut block that has the basic angles on it
thank you
mklotz's Tools
you have replied to most of my post in the past with valuable Insite your comments are appreciated
Ray

I like the photo of the sine bar using the adjustable parallel I do not have that concept covered in my sine bar lesion
Ray