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    Sine bar errors

    In the metalworking books, when you see a picture of a sinebar in use, the
    stack used to form the angles is generally composed of gage blocks, the
    accuracy of which is measured in millionths of an inch. Are gage blocks, a
    moderately expensive item for the amateur, really needed? Or is it possible to
    get by with a homeshop-made stack that's only accurate to a thou?

    The equation for a sinebar is:

    sin(A) = S/L

    where:

    A = desired angle
    S = stack height
    L = sinebar length (i.e., roller center-to-center distance)

    With a little bit of differential calculus, it's possible to write the error
    equation for the angle due to errors in the stack height.

    dA = (1/cos(A)) * dS/L

    where:

    dA = the error in the angle due to an error of 'dS' in the stack height.
    (For purposes of this discussion, we'll ignore the effect of any error in 'L'.)

    Let's plug in some numbers...

    A = 10 deg
    L = 5 in
    dS = 0.005 in

    Then:

    dA = 1.01543 * 0.005 / 5 = 1.01543E-3 rad = 0.0582 deg

    or about one milliradian error. That's pretty small. Think about it this
    way...If I make a one milliradian error pointing my rifle at a target 100 yards
    away, I'll miss the bullseye by 3.6 in.

    If I'm any kind of machinist, I should be able to machine the block I'm using
    for the stack to within 0.001 in, which would reduce the error to 0.2
    milliradian, or a target miss of 0.72 in at 100 yards.

    The error depends on the angle for which the sinebar is set. For:

    L = 5 in
    ds = 0.001 in

    it looks like this:

    5 0.0115029
    10 0.0116359
    15 0.0118634
    20 0.0121946
    25 0.0126438
    30 0.0132319
    35 0.013989
    40 0.0149589
    45 0.0162057
    50 0.0178273
    55 0.0199784
    60 0.0229183
    65 0.0271147
    70 0.0335043
    75 0.0442748
    80 0.0659906
    85 0.131479

    where the first column is the angle, A, in degrees and the second column is
    the error in A, dA, in degrees.

    Since a sinebar is seldom used for angles greater than 40 degrees, we can
    count on an angle error of less than 0.015 deg (0.25 mrad) if we can machine
    the stack block to an accuracy of one thou. Unless you're making highly
    critical components, don't be afraid to machine your own blocks for setting
    the sine bar.
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    Regards, Marv

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