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Holding a nut in place inside tubing.

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Previously:

https://www.homemadetools.net/forum/...364#post196514
https://www.homemadetools.net/forum/...300#post192296
https://www.homemadetools.net/forum/...704#post182755
https://www.homemadetools.net/forum/...078#post191456
https://www.homemadetools.net/forum/...078#post172175

(almost) Did this today, putting an old Monkey-Wards table saw together. For unknown crazy reason, there are 3 bolt/ washer/ nut sets in each corner, where frame corners, saw cover box, and Unistrut like base meet.
Tried magnet, too thick for allowable space.
Used masking tape instead.

Toolmaker, Thanks for the Monkey Wards mention! A real blast from the past. My old man used to call it that...we had a store 1/2 mi away from our family lumber yard in Pleasant Hill, CA...I haven't thought of that in YEARS! Cheers
Jim

Hats off to our collective 'old man'.

It's pointless trying to forget certain things individuals count as history. Nearly all those giant retail corporations vaporized, or so reduced to appear so. Cashways/ Payless, 84 Lumber, K-Mart, Thompson - Sutherland, J.C. Penney, Sears Roebuck, National Lumber (became Home Depot), Buena Park Lumber (is Ganahl) Eagle Home Improvement (now Lowe's)...lots of industrial suppliers too. Last three years, I've done a lot of driving, none of those are visible.
All had appreciable service, loyal customers, good distribution, identifiable brands, owners, CEO's.
Now, so few replacements equal those, aren't supporting US manufacture very well, and think online support equals that retired tradesman in hardware, electrical or plumbing.
Nope!

Well said, mate...The demise of large corporate brands as Sears, JC Penney, K Mart (our's is going gangbusters!) et al, is against every basic tenent of good business practice. The sad irony is that the 'modern' customer has no idea of what constitutes a 'good' business from a customer's perspective. We, my mum and I, recognised the shift early in the piece, forced by our Southern Pacific Railroad landlord after cessation of service on the Contra Costa spur line, to determine whether to relocate the Pearson Lumber Co to a new home. Home Depot was just setting up shop nearby. A tour of Home Base in San Leandro (I think) in 1984 help us understand the future of the industry...She, in '85 was looking forward to retirement. We did the sums and the cost and years of new hard work to re-establish the business in a new location with a whole new customer base, was not something I would have wished on her, as I could not have done it alone (financially). We closed a 40 year old successful business and liquidated, much to the chagrin of longterm employees and gobsmacked customers. I emigrated to Australia 2 years after and found success in the 'timber' business with several ventures. Retired now, with a cabinetmaker hobby business, I support a local family owned timber yard (105 years old) nearly exclusively for all timber needs, but sadly, use Bunnings (think Home Depot) for hardware and fixings. And as for local manufacture, our builders used to whinge about 'cheap Jap steel' in easily bent nails, while happy as Larry to buy PSS (Pacific States Steel) nails because the company was in San Leandro, CA...but they were fully imported from Japan...go figure. I still try to support local/small if at all possible. Thanks for your continued input here. Cheers.
Jim on ANOTHER rainy day in Sth Cst NSW, AUS

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Originally Posted by Beserkleyboy

'cheap Jap steel' in easily bent nails, while happy as Larry to buy PSS (Pacific States Steel) nails because the company was in San Leandro, CA...but they were fully imported from Japan...

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A label can be very deceiving, or informative with equal goals. That so many products are counterfeit is one proof, but careful eye can find little hiccups in the wording or other irregularities. That's different than products under a recognized brand, yet imported from elsewhere. We've all seen negative responses to certain imports; yes, some are undeserved, the rotten ones spoil the whole barrel. Of course the power of suggestion' "Oh, THESE are from the US!".
I'm perfectly OK with output of Japan; that was not always so. To me, no economy exists without a high percentage of it based in quality manufacturing (with attendant subcontractors); they realized what poor output would do to them, turning it around in spectacular manner.
A point of wonder; with the collective talent of HMT.net, if we made something, how it would fare? Obviously, it's purely speculative,logistics make it nigh impossible. I wish more people would indicate their locations, even roughly. Can't imagine why they don't.

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Originally Posted by Toolmaker51

(almost) Did this today, putting an old Monkey-Wards table saw together. For unknown crazy reason, there are 3 bolt/ washer/ nut sets in each corner, where frame corners, saw cover box, and Unistrut like base meet.
Tried magnet, too thick for allowable space.
Used masking tape instead.

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You're just now getting around to assembling it. You're at least as bad as me.

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Originally Posted by Floradawg

You're just now getting around to assembling it. You're at least as bad as me.

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I'd say ouch, but not the case.
It was assembled while I test ran it a couple days before. I broke it down, was unmanageable loading into car (and believed it be worse removing). That allowed blowing out saw dust, running motor separately, and general attention to various fasteners. Only thing found out of sorts, the blade of last user is a 6" from a portable circular saw. Lowest height of arbor from table indicates 8-1/2" is correct.
I'm no carpenter; initial use will enclose open area of trusses and plate/ eaves of my roof.

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Originally Posted by Toolmaker51

I'd say ouch, but not the case.
It was assembled while I test ran it a couple days before. I broke it down, was unmanageable loading into car (and believed it be worse removing). That allowed blowing out saw dust, running motor separately, and general attention to various fasteners. Only thing found out of sorts, the blade of last user is a 6" from a portable circular saw. Lowest height of arbor from table indicates 8-1/2" is correct.
I'm no carpenter; initial use will enclose open area of trusses and plate/ eaves of my roof.

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Just funnin' with ya.

Toolmaker,
When you get it set up properly, bolt it down with easy disconnect system, I'd imagine female Dynabolts or such, to allow flush mounting. Locking castors won't stop movement or damp vibration. There are expensive castor/platform attachments, but they have the same problems.
My 12" Wadkin clone (~300kg) does not require solid fixing, but all of the 'contractor' or compact saws need added mass to work well. And invest in a GOOD blade, or 3, Rip, all purpose, and fine cut- off. And make up a baffle system or box the base in (plywood) completely, airtight as possible (foam weatherstrip), and connect to, at least, a shop-vac. Irwin's range of blades are a good, readily available and quite suitable for a saw of that size. Hope that helps. Any questions, feel free to contact.
Jim

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Originally Posted by Beserkleyboy

Toolmaker,
When you get it set up properly, bolt it down with easy disconnect system, I'd imagine female Dynabolts or such, to allow flush mounting. Locking castors won't stop movement or damp vibration. There are expensive castor/platform attachments, but they have the same problems.
My 12" Wadkin clone (~300kg) does not require solid fixing, but all of the 'contractor' or compact saws need added mass to work well. And invest in a GOOD blade, or 3, Rip, all purpose, and fine cut- off. And make up a baffle system or box the base in (plywood) completely, airtight as possible (foam weatherstrip), and connect to, at least, a shop-vac. Irwin's range of blades are a good, readily available and quite suitable for a saw of that size. Hope that helps. Any questions, feel free to contact.
Jim

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My inclination might be attach a 4' x 4' plywood deck, that'll add my incredible 157 pounds of bulk, with short shag carpet 'feet' underneath. Shape of the stand, isn't a slam dunk to enclose, but it will be none the less. Stop at local hardware didn't strike me with a great range of blades in correct size (or at diameters expected).

That'll work, too. Many a small saw have been 'inserted' into a bigger table. Consider making a full height box base, so it looks like a cabinet saw (think UniSaw). The more you bulk it up, the more it'll work like its bigger cousins. Where are you located? Our 'big box' store, Bunnings, keeps a decent range for that type of saw. Maybe Home Depot or Lowes.
Jim

'Bigger Cousins'......oh yah. It could be learning to run woodworking machines cemented my respect for stout metal-working machinery. I especially remember Oliver table saws. No sheet metal nuthin', maybe the knobs and handles were plastic.
They woodwork equipment is modest; 2 tablesaws (1 the tiny Monkey Ward), 12" 1950's Craftsman bandsaw, DeWalt planer, the usual power hand tools. I'd add a shaper if an iron version comes along. I've been asked to replicate old patterns of molding heads (homes dating back to 1860's here), it would be worth testing them.

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Originally Posted by Toolmaker51

Hats off to our collective 'old man'.

It's pointless trying to forget certain things individuals count as history. Nearly all those giant retail corporations vaporized, or so reduced to appear so. Cashways/ Payless, 84 Lumber, K-Mart, Thompson - Sutherland, J.C. Penney, Sears Roebuck, National Lumber (became Home Depot), Buena Park Lumber (is Ganahl) Eagle Home Improvement (now Lowe's)...lots of industrial suppliers too. Last three years, I've done a lot of driving, none of those are visible.
All had appreciable service, loyal customers, good distribution, identifiable brands, owners, CEO's.
Now, so few replacements equal those, aren't supporting US manufacture very well, and think online support equals that retired tradesman in hardware, electrical or plumbing.
Nope!

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And, at least in my region of the country, there was Handy Dan and Builder's Square. I often ask the Lowes and Home Depot sales quads if they remember those guys when, for a simple example, I find a pipe/tube of a desired size and its matching plug/cap... but they don't carry the matching elbow or connector for that sized pipe "because we don't sell enough of them". That's when I empty my entire cart and go somehwere else (and often this is just back home to re-think an entire project!).

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And, at least in my region of the country, there was Handy Dan and Builder's Square. I often ask the Lowes and Home Depot sales quads if they remember those guys when, for a simple example, I find a pipe/tube of a desired size and its matching plug/cap... but they don't carry the matching elbow or connector for that sized pipe "because we don't sell enough of them". That's when I empty my entire cart and go somehwere else (and often this is just back home to re-think an entire project!).

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When I lived in Augusta GA there was a Builder's Square there. It was renamed but I forgot what it became. It's gone now.

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Originally Posted by Floradawg

When I lived in Augusta GA there was a Builder's Square there. It was renamed but I forgot what it became. It's gone now.

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I remember the Handy Dan they were part of the Buddies Supermarket chain then when Winn Dixie took over Handy Dan disappeared in my area'

Home Depot, AKA Home desperate or home gone to pot, Lowes AKA Highs we only carry that online but you have to come here to pick it up.

My first 'real' job was warehouseman at Store #1620 in Red Bluff, CA...worked briefly at one in L.A, also. Much more laid back than being a humanbot at some faceless Amazoncwhse.

Monkey Ward Store #1620 , I mean.

Yup, Oliver saws were fine pieces of gear. I caught the cast iron bug in the early 90s and collected a few. I found a 20" thickness planet, 3 blade head, 8hp 440 3ph induction motor. 10mm cast iron surrounds, 1" steel plate base, 800 kg...forklift job. Pedal actuated multi-clutch power height mechanism. Huge lever to increase downward pressure on top feed roller. Even a 2 hp dust extractor was hard pressed to keep up...Quiet running until the knives bit. I had bark edge slab of something Eucalypt 18" wide, 32mm thick, 10 ft long, well suited for the top of a 5' Bar Leaner...you could've heard it in the next suburb! And a 26" cast iron bandsaw w/5hp 440 3ph induction motor, a 1" spindle moulded (shaper), an 8' belt sander.
All set up in my Bowral workshop in 2003. When doing sea change in 2012, all was sold as the new 'home' workshop is only 50m2 compared to the old 100m2. And I don't really miss it at all. But, were I 50 again, I'd still do it! This week, I'm camped in hospital awaiting the ever dreaded colonoscopy, following a surprise rectal bleed...as if 2 leg angioplasties and 2 cardiac PCIs weren't enough to curb my workshop time in the last 5 months...moral: do what the Dr says...
Thanks to all of you regular contributors here. Cheers.
Jim

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Originally Posted by Beserkleyboy

Yup, Oliver saws were fine pieces of gear. I caught the cast iron bug in the early 90s and collected a few. I found a 20" thickness planet, 3 blade head, 8hp 440 3ph induction motor. 10mm cast iron surrounds, 1" steel plate base, 800 kg...forklift job. Pedal actuated multi-clutch power height mechanism. Huge lever to increase downward pressure on top feed roller. Even a 2 hp dust extractor was hard pressed to keep up...Quiet running until the knives bit. I had bark edge slab of something Eucalypt 18" wide, 32mm thick, 10 ft long, well suited for the top of a 5' Bar Leaner...you could've heard it in the next suburb! And a 26" cast iron bandsaw w/5hp 440 3ph induction motor, a 1" spindle moulded (shaper), an 8' belt sander.
All set up in my Bowral workshop in 2003. When doing sea change in 2012, all was sold as the new 'home' workshop is only 50m2 compared to the old 100m2. And I don't really miss it at all. But, were I 50 again, I'd still do it! This week, I'm camped in hospital awaiting the ever dreaded colonoscopy, following a surprise rectal bleed...as if 2 leg angioplasties and 2 cardiac PCIs weren't enough to curb my workshop time in the last 5 months...moral: do what the Dr says...
Thanks to all of you regular contributors here. Cheers.
Jim

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Jim, here's hoping everything goes well at the hospital, Be careful

Thanks, Frank. An old Aussie saying, now rarely heard as not PC, I must have run over a Chinaman...(bad luck). Cellulitus and swelling in foot led to diagnosis of PAD (2 angioplasties).
Regular cardiologist notified, if Jim is plugged up in leg, his heart is as well...so CT angiogram and then catheter angiogram w/coronary stents placed...and now the colonoscopy...a lifetimes (69) worth of maintenance in 5 months. Oh well, that's what insurance and our single payer healthcare is for. I'd hate to drop off without getting my 2 bobs worth! Thanks for your thoughts.
Jim

It's perplexing why decent folks have such issues; and the neer-do-wells just skate along.
I'm sure we all wish you the best possible outcome.

Thanks mate. It's good to fix the problems BEFORE you 'fall down' and get carted off for emergency surgery.
These sort of procedures are termed 'elective surgeries' here in AUS. Fully paid for in the public system, but subject to waiting lists based on need and theatre availability. In a private hospital with private health insurance (me), most ANY procedure can be done within a week with reasonable co-pays for surgeon and anesthetist fees. The hospital costs are fully covered. Two leg angioplasties, one stent placed, $2500 out of pocket. Two cardiac angiogram/3 stent placement, $600 out of pocket. The colonoscopy is at this public hospital $0 out of pocket...normally a public colonoscopy would be a 3-4 week wait based on need, but my rectal bleed allowed me to jump the queue...and the Drs are good and the nurses fantastic. The food is heaps better in the privates, but I'm not starving here.
Thanks to all for support, and do the right thing by yourself and families...don't put this schytte off! Cheers
Jim