Vintage work crew photos

**Toolmaker51** · Jul 12, 2022, 01:48 PM

I heard it was Muesli.

**IntheGroove** · Jul 12, 2022, 02:12 PM

Reminds me of the story where Johnny's father tells him to fetch a switch...

**Jon** · Jul 17, 2022, 12:31 PM

Engineers and metallurgists inspecting the cap for the top of the Washington Monument. 1884.

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**jimfols** · Jul 17, 2022, 10:28 PM

Engineers and metallurgists inspecting the cap for the top of the Washington Monument. 1884.

I can hardly wait for 'them' to try making aluminum with wind or solar power.

**Toolmaker51** · Jul 18, 2022, 03:37 AM

Originally Posted by jimfols

Engineers and metallurgists inspecting the cap for the top of the Washington Monument. 1884.

I can hardly wait for 'them' to try making aluminum with wind or solar power.

"...it comes from the building!"
Sure it does.

Edited, to note correction/ amplification offered next by hemmjo, stating "This video is from a documentary created by Michael Moore. I am even LESS a fan of Michael Moore. He is notorious for spinning things to his point of view. He edits clips to distort facts."

**carl blum** · Jul 19, 2022, 07:00 AM

The aluminum Apex was the largest piece of aluminum at the time, and had the value of silver. Carl.

**mwmkravchenko** · Jul 17, 2022, 12:53 PM

When aluminum was the rarest of metals on the earth.

**Toolmaker51** · Jul 17, 2022, 06:40 PM

Originally Posted by mwmkravchenko

When aluminum was the rarest of metals on the earth.

I was just going to look "what metal is it?" up........

**Frank S** · Jul 18, 2022, 03:21 PM

The other elephant in the room so to speak is transmission lines are already carrying more energy than they were designed for. Disregard how that energy is going to have to be produced, there is an upper limit to the amount of energy the lines can carry. One way to carry more energy is to up the voltages Transcontinental high-tension powerlines can currently have between 66 to 750 kilovolts depending on the distances required for the energy to travel. Higher voltages mean more leakage until at some point the leakage and resistance to current becomes greater than the amount of energy received at the substations.
One way to counter the losses from overloading the current grid system would be to have community micro generation plants. I can just hear the NIMBY's screaming already. A problem with these power plants is multifold Solar is one source it only works while the sun is shining. Wind being another only works when the wind blows and there are already many associated issues with both of those with storage being the number one for energy on demand. Small hydro plants along flowing rivers may be viable in some instances on a small scale but the restrictions already in place on all waterways in the USA prevent the construction along the riverbanks let alone having any thoughts to building dams. Oil is partially renewable contrary to public beliefs not all oil is 65 million years old, but we are faced again with supply and delivery systems trucking, rail or pipelines. Natural gas is arguably probably one of the environmentally cleanest forms or energy which can at this time be used to produce electrical energy, but it also requires the same mode of transportation as does oil. Nuclear would be or I should have said could have been one of the best had the stigma of nuclear power being associated with the bomb and the difficulty of disposing spent fuel rods not taken over the benefits of using it, and for the most part ground further advances in research to a halt years ago. It is not even worth mentioning converting plant matter into an energy source since the farmers are already having to literally rape their lands to produce crops now. Wait until there are 12, 15 or 20 billion souls to feed we might even reach 8 billion in a couple of years as it is. Coal is out before even adding it to the equation.
In my mind it is going to require a judicial use of every resource we currently have to just keep up let along cover the added strain of adding more and more electric vehicles. I believe we have more options that are not being perused being kept from us probably done by lobbyist and big corps coercing government puppets.

**mwmkravchenko** · Jul 18, 2022, 03:44 PM

Originally Posted by Frank S

The other elephant in the room so to speak is transmission lines are already carrying more energy than they were designed for. Disregard how that energy is going to have to be produced, there is an upper limit to the amount of energy the lines can carry. One way to carry more energy is to up the voltages Transcontinental high-tension powerlines can currently have between 66 to 750 kilovolts depending on the distances required for the energy to travel. Higher voltages mean more leakage until at some point the leakage and resistance to current becomes greater than the amount of energy received at the substations.
One way to counter the losses from overloading the current grid system would be to have community micro generation plants. I can just hear the NIMBY's screaming already. A problem with these power plants is multifold Solar is one source it only works while the sun is shining. Wind being another only works when the wind blows and there are already many associated issues with both of those with storage being the number one for energy on demand. Small hydro plants along flowing rivers may be viable in some instances on a small scale but the restrictions already in place on all waterways in the USA prevent the construction along the riverbanks let alone having any thoughts to building dams. Oil is partially renewable contrary to public beliefs not all oil is 65 million years old, but we are faced again with supply and delivery systems trucking, rail or pipelines. Natural gas is arguably probably one of the environmentally cleanest forms or energy which can at this time be used to produce electrical energy, but it also requires the same mode of transportation as does oil. Nuclear would be or I should have said could have been one of the best had the stigma of nuclear power being associated with the bomb and the difficulty of disposing spent fuel rods not taken over the benefits of using it, and for the most part ground further advances in research to a halt years ago. It is not even worth mentioning converting plant matter into an energy source since the farmers are already having to literally rape their lands to produce crops now. Wait until there are 12, 15 or 20 billion souls to feed we might even reach 8 billion in a couple of years as it is. Coal is out before even adding it to the equation.
In my mind it is going to require a judicial use of every resource we currently have to just keep up let along cover the added strain of adding more and more electric vehicles. I believe we have more options that are not being perused being kept from us probably done by lobbyist and big corps coercing government puppets.

If I remember correctly Texas has one of the whimpiest transmission line systems in the USA.

But even here.

https://www.cer-rec.gc.ca/en/data-an...s-ontario.html

You see we produce just over 60% of our power from Nuclear. Actually we have one of the largest single site Nuclear facilities in the world next to China of course! But when a large solar farm or wind farm is installed they have to run new transmission lines. A large part of the cost.

We too have a lot of NIMBY people. Louder than the others of course.

I think we crack 8 billion this year Frank. And India surpassed China in the number of people. China created their own particular problem with the one child policy and longer lifespans. Now like Canada the mean age is going up by leaps and bounds. Makes it harder to find people to work.

Biomass burning is not really solution when you consider how important it really is for the health and long term wellbeing of the coils on our farms. Keep removing the closed cycle system of plants and then decomposing plants and you end up with a situation of requiring immense volumes of fertilizer. Not so good for the bugs and earthworms that do the bulk of keeping soil fertile. I grew up amongst large farms in rural Manitoba. Where the farms used a lot of fertilizer there were few seagulls looking for worms when they were plowing. And plenty is adjacent fields that the farmer did not fertilize.

If it were to be done over again distributed generation of electricity and storage of electricity would be the go to method. Mandating that every house have solar panels on their roofs and localized batteries of either electrochemical or other means is a way to make this kind of idea work.

Here's one I think is brilliant:

https://eteq.com/worlds-first-carbon...pens-in-italy/

They are doing a megawatt scale plant now to. Nothing in this system is cutting edge. Only it's assemblage. Engineering like this is a way to bridge the gap in Solar and in Wind. And scaled down to a few house lots maybe 6 in size (guessing here) you have 24/7 electricity. And many more people to have jobs in maintenance. Remember maintenance? Almost a four letter word now.