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    Quote Originally Posted by FEM2008 View Post
    in 2020, 20,000 Americans died by shooting (including 300 children), and additional 24,000 suicide by gun. Yep, I love third world insanity too!
    Those numbers you quote are indeed tragic. However, according to CDC.gov, in 2019, 70,630 drug overdose deaths occurred in the United States. If you look at the data, the gun problem and the drug problem, are the same problem.

    YES, the number of gun deaths is the US is tragic, but more tragic is the lack of focus on the REAL problem. The lack of enforcement of EXISTING laws. While at the same time, trying to vilify law abiding citizens and allowing drug dealers and gangs to rule the streets.

    More lives would be saved, 70,630 by drugs vs 44,000 by gun, by making drugs illegal, and enforcing those laws. OH .... wait, drugs are already illegal!!!!

    According to the CDC(2011-2015)...More than 95,000 people die from excessive alcohol use in the U.S. each year. Excessive alcohol use is responsible for more than 95,000 deaths in the United States each year, or 261 deaths per day. These deaths shorten the lives of those who die by an average of almost 29 years, for a total of 2.8 million years of potential life lost. It is a leading cause of preventable death in the United States, and cost the nation $249 billion in 2010.

    If preventing death is the REAL reason used to justify taking away guns, why not instead tackle the two issues that would save 3.7 times more lives that messing with gun owners. (70,630 drug deaths + 95,000 alcohol deaths = 165,630 total / 44,000= 3.76)

    Solutions to hard problems are difficult. When someone is trying to push a solution that is clearly not a real solution, you have to ask what is the real reason for pushing that agenda!!

    THAT is the real INSANITY, if simply passing laws was the solution to societies problems I am sure we already have enough laws to deal with all of the problems.

    As sane people, at least I think most of us are, let us push for real solutions. Rather than push foolish plans, with so much evidence that they are not real solutions to these significant issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hemmjo View Post
    Those numbers you quote are indeed tragic. However, according to CDC.gov, in 2019, 70,630 drug overdose deaths occurred in the United States. If you look at the data, the gun problem and the drug problem, are the same problem.

    YES, the number of gun deaths is the US is tragic, but more tragic is the lack of focus on the REAL problem. The lack of enforcement of EXISTING laws. While at the same time, trying to vilify law abiding citizens and allowing drug dealers and gangs to rule the streets.

    More lives would be saved, 70,630 by drugs vs 44,000 by gun, by making drugs illegal, and enforcing those laws. OH .... wait, drugs are already illegal!!!!

    According to the CDC(2011-2015)...More than 95,000 people die from excessive alcohol use in the U.S. each year. Excessive alcohol use is responsible for more than 95,000 deaths in the United States each year, or 261 deaths per day. These deaths shorten the lives of those who die by an average of almost 29 years, for a total of 2.8 million years of potential life lost. It is a leading cause of preventable death in the United States, and cost the nation $249 billion in 2010.

    If preventing death is the REAL reason used to justify taking away guns, why not instead tackle the two issues that would save 3.7 times more lives that messing with gun owners. (70,630 drug deaths + 95,000 alcohol deaths = 165,630 total / 44,000= 3.76)

    Solutions to hard problems are difficult. When someone is trying to push a solution that is clearly not a real solution, you have to ask what is the real reason for pushing that agenda!!

    THAT is the real INSANITY, if simply passing laws was the solution to societies problems I am sure we already have enough laws to deal with all of the problems.

    As sane people, at least I think most of us are, let us push for real solutions. Rather than push foolish plans, with so much evidence that they are not real solutions to these significant issues.
    And let us not forget that we've already tried to outlaw alcohol. It was called Prohibition. 1920-1933. That did not work out so well. The War on Drugs, which has been running nearly my whole life, has been no more successful.

    In order to solve problems, you must first identify the ACTUAL root causes. My friend Nils Ericson said, more than once, "Humans are no damn good. Though parts of them are edible." And the problem is human nature. I suppose we could totally depopulate the planet. That would tend to solve all our problems. However... It seems to me that the folks pushing gun control, drug control, alcohol control, et cetera, are really interested in CONTROL.

    Personally, I don't care what you do, so long as whoever you do it to or with is/are consenting adult(s). I would, however, advise you not to try to tell me what to do. Or not do. Hurting others is my definition of sin. Hurting yourself is just stupidity, and that is the most common substance in the Universe, as I understand it. Leave me alone to do my thing, and I'll leave you alone.

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