Free 186 More Best Homemade Tools eBook:  
New: 300+ fresh build posts/day from 275 forums → BuildThreads.com

User Tag List

Page 1 of 5 1 2 3 4 5 LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 44

Thread: astronaut loses $100,000 tool bag during spacewalk

Hybrid View

  1. #1
    Jon
    Jon is offline Jon has agreed the Seller's Terms of Service
    Administrator
    Supporting Member
    Jon's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2012
    Location
    Colorado, USA
    Posts
    28,441
    Thanks
    8,491
    Thanked 44,306 Times in 13,050 Posts

    astronaut loses $100,000 tool bag during spacewalk

    NASA astronaut and Navy captain Heidemarie Martha Stefanyshyn-Piper loses a tool bag during a 2008 spacewalk, while working on the Solar Alpha Rotary Joint in the International Space Station.



    It's enough of an accomplishment to discover space flight, successfully launch humans into orbit, and then construct a habitable space station. However, what's really impressive here is that someone could lose an entire bag of tools in space and restrain themselves enough to only utter: "oh, great". I do much worse when I drop a socket in an engine bay.

    The $100,000 bag of tools drifted away while Stefanyshyn-Piper was cleaning up a mess from a leaky grease gun that she was using to lubricate the joint's gears. The tool bag, dubbed "ISS Toolbag", achieved celebrity status as its exact location in orbit was monitored constantly by satellite tracking systems on Earth. Sightings were recorded by multiple skywatchers, included this video of the toolbag from Kevin Fetter:



    Legend has it that the $100,000 tool bag still orbits Earth to this day, waiting for the moment when an astronaut may have need for a NASA-issued grease gun...

    Actually, the bag burned up during re-entry in 2009.
    New: BuildThreads.com - 300+ build posts/day (with photos)

  2. The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to Jon For This Useful Post:

    dubbby (Mar 25, 2020), PJs (Sep 10, 2016), thehomeengineer (Apr 25, 2018), Toolmaker51 (Sep 8, 2016)

  3. #2
    Supporting Member Toolmaker51's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2016
    Location
    Midwest USA
    Posts
    5,355
    Thanks
    7,074
    Thanked 3,571 Times in 2,210 Posts

    Toolmaker51's Tools
    Wasn't aware of the event, let alone the loss. But now for a little brag-fest. While employed at a Tool Co in Cypress CA, a pair of toolmakers (inc myself) made a set of hand tools, even linesman style box joint pliers of solid AMPCO beryllium. Most everything else we built for the shuttle if not 7075 Aluminum, was 455 Stainless. My favorite, latches for the deployment arms in the cargo bay. Basically a rectangular U shape with sear hooks on the inside edges. Couldn't have any transverse toolmarks. Other guys tried to mill and profile them and undercut the hooks with Woodruff cutters tilted 2.5 degrees. Heck no! Roughed them in vertical bandsaw, made contouring fly-cutters for inside radii and tool to quill broach the hooks. Ran faster than the quote. Tough material yet cut quite well. Trick was to mill close fit pockets in soft jaws, to immobilize the part with lowest possible jaw pressure. Too many forget the power of the vertical bandsaw, why cut chips when you can cut chunks?
    Last edited by Toolmaker51; Oct 1, 2016 at 09:09 AM.
    Sincerely,
    Toolmaker51
    ...we'll learn more by wandering than searching...

  4. The Following User Says Thank You to Toolmaker51 For This Useful Post:

    MeJasonT (Jun 10, 2018)

  5. #3
    Supporting Member Moby Duck's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2016
    Posts
    413
    Thanks
    1,313
    Thanked 251 Times in 161 Posts

    Moby Duck's Tools
    I have to ask why anyone built a rotary joint that had to be greased with a grease gun from the outside of the space station. You don't grease ships propeller shafts or rudder stocks from the outside. With the huge risks involved, surely they could have come up with a better way.

  6. #4
    Supporting Member mklotz's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2015
    Location
    LA, CA, USA
    Posts
    3,720
    Thanks
    376
    Thanked 7,192 Times in 2,348 Posts

    mklotz's Tools
    Quote Originally Posted by Moby Duck View Post
    I have to ask why anyone built a rotary joint that had to be greased with a grease gun from the outside of the space station. You don't grease ships propeller shafts or rudder stocks from the outside. With the huge risks involved, surely they could have come up with a better way.
    I can't directly answer your question but I can offer some informed thoughts.

    It costs roughly $10,000 to orbit one pound of mass to low earth orbit. As a consequence, structures are minimized as much as possible. Providing the necessary structure so a man can reach the joint might incur an unacceptable weight penalty. Moreover, any such structure would have to be man-rated and that involves extensive and immensely expensive ground testing to guarantee safety.

    On an earth-bound vehicle such as a ship, the structure that allows access to the joint may be part of the ship structure required to maintain its strength needed to withstand environmental loading. In space there is no gravitational or atmospheric loading so such strength structure can be minimized.

    Even a simple solution like a preloaded grease gun mounted at the joint and remotely activated by electronics might be too much of a weight penalty - especially so if there are a number of joints to grease.

    Considering the expense of losing the tool bag and the threat to other orbiting objects of such a massive item moving at 17,500 mph, a better solution would be to have the tool bag permanently connected to the astronaut's lifeline. I'm guessing that they're pretty damned careful that their lifeline is secured before they venture outside.
    ---
    Regards, Marv

    Smart phones are to people what laser pointers are to cats
    Homo sapiens is a goal, not a definition

  7. The Following User Says Thank You to mklotz For This Useful Post:

    Moby Duck (Jun 9, 2018)

  8. #5
    Jon
    Jon is offline Jon has agreed the Seller's Terms of Service
    Administrator
    Supporting Member
    Jon's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2012
    Location
    Colorado, USA
    Posts
    28,441
    Thanks
    8,491
    Thanked 44,306 Times in 13,050 Posts
    Astronaut Charlie Duke drops a hammer on the moon. He's unable to pick it up, and has to go retrieve some tongs. Apollo 16. April, 1972. 1:16 video:

    New: BuildThreads.com - 300+ build posts/day (with photos)

  9. The Following 6 Users Say Thank You to Jon For This Useful Post:

    Moby Duck (Jun 9, 2018), oldcaptainrusty (Jun 9, 2018), PJs (Jun 10, 2018), ranald (Jun 29, 2018), Seedtick (Jun 9, 2018), Toolmaker51 (Jun 10, 2018)

  10. #6
    Supporting Member Moby Duck's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2016
    Posts
    413
    Thanks
    1,313
    Thanked 251 Times in 161 Posts

    Moby Duck's Tools
    Perhaps the Astronaut selection process needs to include a section on manual dexterity and the use and value of hand tools in what is essentially a survival situation. That dropped hammer could easily have damaged his suit and that would not have been a good ending. In previous clips of Astronauts in weightless conditions I get the impression that they can jump very high and bounce around all over the place, even turn backward somersaults without any effort, but this guy seemed to be gravity challenged with his jumps. I also notice that the dust settles very quickly, whereas I would expect to see clouds of it hanging around. Just seems odd to me.
    p.s. I do believe that this was filmed on the Moon, I am not into the conspiracy theories.
    Last edited by Moby Duck; Jun 9, 2018 at 07:56 PM.

  11. The Following User Says Thank You to Moby Duck For This Useful Post:

    PJs (Jun 10, 2018)

  12. #7
    Supporting Member mklotz's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2015
    Location
    LA, CA, USA
    Posts
    3,720
    Thanks
    376
    Thanked 7,192 Times in 2,348 Posts

    mklotz's Tools
    Quote Originally Posted by Moby Duck View Post
    Perhaps the Astronaut selection process needs to include a section on manual dexterity and the use and value of hand tools in what is essentially a survival situation. That dropped hammer could easily have damaged his suit and that would not have been a good ending. In previous clips of Astronauts in weightless conditions I get the impression that they can jump very high and bounce around all over the place, even turn backward somersaults without any effort, but this guy seemed to be gravity challenged with his jumps. I also notice that the dust settles very quickly, whereas I would expect to see clouds of it hanging around. Just seems odd to me.
    p.s. I do believe that this was filmed on the Moon, I am not into the conspiracy theories.
    Since it's damned difficult to turn off gravity, the astronauts on earth train in a huge swimming pool while wearing the suits they will wear when in space or on the moon. This allows them to experience conditions similar to, but not identical to, those found in their work site.

    Remember too that they're wearing a personal HVAC system on their back as well as comm gear and an oxygen supply. Lunar gravity is only about one sixth of Earth's but all that baggage would make anyone a bit clumsy.

    Psychology plays a part in your performance too. You look up in the sky, see your home planet and realize you're a quarter million miles from home and your only chance to get home is a glorified tin can built by and inspected by folks who remain safely in their beds regardless of what happens to you.
    ---
    Regards, Marv

    Smart phones are to people what laser pointers are to cats
    Homo sapiens is a goal, not a definition

  13. The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to mklotz For This Useful Post:

    Jon (Jun 10, 2018), Moby Duck (Jun 10, 2018), Toolmaker51 (Jun 10, 2018)

  14. #8
    Supporting Member Toolmaker51's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2016
    Location
    Midwest USA
    Posts
    5,355
    Thanks
    7,074
    Thanked 3,571 Times in 2,210 Posts

    Toolmaker51's Tools
    Quote Originally Posted by mklotz View Post
    ...Psychology plays a part in your performance too. You look up in the sky, see your home planet and realize you're a quarter million miles from home and your only chance to get home is a glorified tin can built by and inspected by folks who remain safely in their beds regardless of what happens to you.
    In all the parts I've made, none more satisfying than Space Shuttle work. One assignment, latching double hooks, was made by supervisors awareness of my gunsmithing techniques. That I'm always prodding this isn't merely a hobby, is due to occasions like that. Find, practice, apply, create.
    Never interacted with any of the engineers, do know some of those inspectors. They certainly had their own beds, but ever mindful of personal roles surrounding those persons within such beautiful, glorified tin cans.
    Last edited by Toolmaker51; Jun 10, 2018 at 09:27 AM.
    Sincerely,
    Toolmaker51
    ...we'll learn more by wandering than searching...

  15. The Following User Says Thank You to Toolmaker51 For This Useful Post:

    Jon (Jun 10, 2018)

  16. #9
    Supporting Member ranald's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2018
    Location
    Black Mountain Queensland
    Posts
    1,342
    Thanks
    996
    Thanked 534 Times in 400 Posts

    ranald's Tools
    I reckon Charlie might have arthritis or art wrongus. On his knee he looks like I feel but he has a lot more spring in his step-LOL.

    thanks for posting. What will our next life bring?

    cheers Ranald

  17. #10
    Supporting Member Frank S's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2015
    Location
    Peacock TX
    Posts
    12,617
    Thanks
    2,677
    Thanked 11,107 Times in 5,389 Posts

    Frank S's Tools
    Until we figure out a technology that will protect an astronaut from all of the extremes of space IE heat cold radiation low or zero pressure without having to be a hard suit that is akin to having to wear a submarine. clumsiness and limited mobility is going to be prevalent doing any task in space. It is not much different than deep water work. that Navy divers have to do in salvage operations
    Never try to tell me it can't be done
    When I have to paint I use KBS products

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •