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    Back when the average truck farms had fields in the range of 80 acres each. Equipment also averaged in the 100 to 200 drawbar horsepower range you didn't need GPS to tell you where you were in the field or satellite imagery to spot low yield spots. the equipment was in general repairable by folks who had a good mechanical aptitude IE the farmer or his sons & daughters. the thought of entering into a contract where they needed to pay $$$$$$ each year to maintain their equipment was unheard of. the smarter farmers knew about crop rotation to preserve the productivity of the land without the need of some agronomist coming out and taking soil samples to what nutrients and minerals were lacking in their soils.
    But as we say the world moved on. Demands for higher and higher yields stressing the soil to the point of no return without the interjection of more and more artificial means, Equipment began to increase in size requiring the fields to be combined into ever larger tracts of land because it was not feasible economically to even turn the huge equipment around in smaller fields due to the amount of end row land required. I have a friend in Minnesota whose family farms now have fields in the 1000's of acre range which are miles and miles long and wide some of their equipment might cost upwards of 2 to 5 million dollars per piece and only get used 2 months at a time once or twice a year the rest of the time it is parked inside of a climate controlled building not just a shed with a roof and wind walls to prevent exposure to snow and the ultraviolet rays of the summer sun. They don't own just 1 or 2 of anything they own or rather they pay yearly for the privilege of using and storing whole fleets of equipment. During planting or harvesting seasons breakdowns are not an option. He or rather his family out of shear necessity must employ a staff of certified well qualified repair persons since taking their equipment back to a dealer would be not only cost prohibitive completely impossible in some cases as some of the equipment would require a tear down into several smaller assemblies just to transport it then be hauled to a port and shipped to places like Sweden where it was made.
    He is the exception in the go big or go home class of farmers. Folks like my cousins family farms up in Colorado where they only have 12,000 acres can't afford to lease or own large fleets of every type of equipment for their operation so Where Chris's family may own 10, 20 or more of one type machine Gary might only have 3 or 4 or possibly only 1 and have to hire a lot of their tillage and harvesting done. When 1 of Gary's combines breaks down he is at the mercy of you guessed it John deere which in itself wouldn't be all that bad providing his was the only equipment to ever need repairs.
    Even if a large dealership has a sizeable staff of repair persons those 2 times a year which are the most critical to not only the farmers but every person who depends on produce of food stuffs being readily available on the supermarket shelves depend on the dealerships ability to preform the repairs quickly, but what happens when they are overwhelmed with simple breakdowns? Things that the farmers could diagnose themselves then determine if the equipment should be sent in or a mobile repairman be called out. This is what would make the most sense to me. The same should go for cars trucks and household appliances in my opinion.
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    Big farmers got it - we had 145 acres and was the 2nd largest farm in a 5 mile radius. There were some 15 other farms around us, when foot and mouth struck the area was only left with 3 farms locally. sadly there are only two farms left (the two largest both milk 1000 cows each) we used to have 300 and our direct neighbour just under 300. The idea of driving half way across the state to get to the other side of the farm is mind blowing.
    We only ever bought 1 new tractor back in 1982 it was a 70hp Ford 6600 - it got a new engine within weeks of us purchasing it as ford had issues and recalled the engines, technically its a 5610. I am now the proud owner of said vehicle now our farm has gone.
    my brother still has the ford 6810 and ford 7600, non of this jolly green giant crap. we led silage with four 5 tonne silage trailer into a clamp and used a new holland 719 forager. At barley time we hired a volvo bm combine with a 12ft cut. The remaining farms around us now use contractors for everything they in turn don't own a damn thing they simply lease everything. We used to spend a week cutting 50 acres of silage now they are picking up an entire farm in a day. Sad really i miss the banter at harvest time.
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    My grandpa bought a 1959 John Deere at an estate auction in 61 we called the Dear John because he paid almost nothing for it and never got it home. Too big for us to haul on his old B61 Mack and trailer he decided to road it the 22 miles home the transmission went out in the first 2 miles so it was hauled to the dealership Turned out all 8010s were under a recall notice for transmission problems it was sent from the dealership to where ever and when it came back it had been upgraded then rebadged as 8020 to prove the upgrades had been done. Not that a stupid badge meant anything on its own but that was how the big green did things.
    So an virtually no cost to my grandpa we wound up with a virtually brand new tractor complete with full warranty, which he made sure to use it to the fullest extent as long as the warranty was in effect. Turned out to be a great piece of equipment and about the largest thing in anyone's field for miles around much better than the TD24 dozer he wanted the Dear John to replace
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    Well I don't know anything about how the farmers are getting on with hot wired programing on their JD equipment but I do know of a guy in this county who sold his less than 2 year old cotton picker for less than he owed on it just to get out from under the constant hassles of having to call out a Tech they don't even call the repairmen any more then had his 2 older pickers refurbished says 2 of them together cost less to run than the 1 new one due to the amount of down time it was costing him.
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    Every family farmer out there knows that when the tractor, combine, picker etc breaks down it is ALWAYS in the furthest place in the field, usually across a gully or some other condition that makes taking care of the problem extra hard. Us folks who use older equipment are a little bit blessed with the fact that, our old tractor, combine etc, usually is able to limp out of the field or at least to a place where it is more accessible to make a repair.

    When the modern million dollar equipment wont run, it wont run even a little bit. And worse it can't be repaired where it sits because it needs the computers reprogrammed in town. The field technician who shows up to assess the problem doesn't want to walk across the muddy field and get his $1,200 cowboy boots dirty. His first step is telephone to start scheduling large equipment to pick up/pull/carry your tractor out of the field and to the city for repair. Before he has hung up his cell phone he has already spent several thousand dollars of your money.
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    Thank you for this information. I own VW and Audi and yes there is a minefield of competing Eastern european software sources to access my own car.
    Stealerships are far more numerous than good honest mechanics. Just the way things are going. I like the comments on suits!

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    Here’s a picture of the highest selling 30 year old Tractor at auction this year…a 1989 model JD 4955 MFWD with 2225 hours sold for $71,000 on a 2/23/19 farm auction in Saint Mary’s, OH.


    Tractors manufactured in the late 1970s and 1980s are some of the hottest items in farm auctions across the Midwest these days — and it’s not because they’re antiques.

    Cost-conscious farmers are looking for bargains, and tractors from that era are well-built and totally functional, and aren’t as complicated or expensive to repair as more recent models that run on sophisticated software.
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    Yep and they wont shut themselves down because they lost connection with the internet or missed a regen cycle because of being in the field trying to complete a harvest before a storm. crops cannot wait 3 to 15 days for a dealership to send out a service tech who will probably tell the farmer once he arrives and has a look at the piece of equipment that it will have to be transported to the dealership to re calibrate the computer that controls the tire inflation and the windshield wipers because it is not allowed to be done in the field without a complete diagnostic
    You may think I'm joking but according to some of the cotton farmers things have really gotten so bad that you don't dare operate a piece of equipment with the cab doors open when the air conditioner goes out for fear of the onboard computer sending a fault code that will shut down the machine because the computer overheated
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank S View Post
    Yep and they wont shut themselves down because they lost connection with the internet or missed a regen cycle because of being in the field trying to complete a harvest before a storm. crops cannot wait 3 to 15 days for a dealership to send out a service tech who will probably tell the farmer once he arrives and has a look at the piece of equipment that it will have to be transported to the dealership to re calibrate the computer that controls the tire inflation and the windshield wipers because it is not allowed to be done in the field without a complete diagnostic
    You may think I'm joking but according to some of the cotton farmers things have really gotten so bad that you don't dare operate a piece of equipment with the cab doors open when the air conditioner goes out for fear of the onboard computer sending a fault code that will shut down the machine because the computer overheated
    And to make matters worse, the companies that manufacture these pieces of farm equipment that require proprietary software have aggressively gone after (i.e., legal threats,etc.) anyone trying to repair these on their own (not unlike how Tesla motors has treated those who attempt to repair their own cars, and how Apple computer has tried to shut down or otherwise hinder aftermarket repair services).

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    Quote Originally Posted by IAMSatisfied View Post
    And to make matters worse, the companies that manufacture these pieces of farm equipment that require proprietary software have aggressively gone after (i.e., legal threats,etc.) anyone trying to repair these on their own (not unlike how Tesla motors has treated those who attempt to repair their own cars, and how Apple computer has tried to shut down or otherwise hinder aftermarket repair services).
    Well if they didn't manufacture inferior products they would not have to be so paranoid with their proprietary software's and parts
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