Inside a fire truck in the Carr Wildfire - video

Inside a fire truck in the Carr Wildfire. This makes me wonder about fire truck construction. Very powerful A/C? Ember filters on the air intakes?

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Scared yet? Here's a video of a fire whirl; news prefers to refer to this phenomenon as a "Firenado":

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Previously:

https://www.homemadetools.net/forum/...783#post102468
https://www.homemadetools.net/forum/...890#post100252
https://www.homemadetools.net/forum/...3576#post99483
https://www.homemadetools.net/forum/...020#post100536
https://www.homemadetools.net/forum/...4612#post80241
https://www.homemadetools.net/forum/...4315#post79736
https://www.homemadetools.net/forum/...7085#post84989
https://www.homemadetools.net/forum/...3122#post98114
https://www.homemadetools.net/forum/...3312#post98673
https://www.homemadetools.net/forum/...3413#post99029

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Originally Posted by Jon

Inside a fire truck in the Carr Wildfire. This makes me wonder about fire truck construction. Very powerful A/C? Ember filters on the air intakes?

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Rural brigade trucks in Australia are fitted with a sprinkler system so if they get trapped they can huddle under reflective blankets in the cabin. Sadly this was a response to a really big bushfire situation across south eastern Australia in 1983 that in one instance saw 12 members of a brigade caught out by a wind change and they all perished in their truck.

My Gratitude and hat to heart to all first responder's. A few were good friends over the years...one was a smoke jumper out of AZ & CO. We've had our share here in CA this last year or 3. Unfortunately we lost 4 the other day in either the Carr or the the Combo fire near Clear Lake. No details of whom or how yet but by their grace thousands of homes, people and animals have been saved. Grace to their families and loved ones.

We had a small one on the other side of the hill across our small valley by a smaller vineyard, yesterday. Was awed by the tanker pilot skills and the Skymaster spotter. Couldn't see the ground crew but were prepping for evac if it made it to the top of the hill. It was out in about an hour thank god for them!! I cheered and waved to them as they flew over our back deck heading for the SR airport a few miles away...knowing they would head out again shortly!

I would hope that they have the very best protection available in all their work and if anyone pisses and moans over cost...send them out in one of these big fires. I can't imagine a 24 hour shift in 110° ambient and who knows how hot in the thick of it. 800°-1200°? melts aluminum! The pictures/videos we've seen over a few years starts to give normal people a clue about being in and working in a Maelstrom of terror.

PJ

DIY, ahem, "firenado":

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I like fire whirl better Jon. It's not necessarily associated with mayhem and total destruction for a 3 day news cycle to invoke widespread panic and fear, instead of basic physics and fluid dynamics. Although Tornado's and Fire Whirls are physics and fluid dynamics natures power is something to behold and never forget. I was terrified as a kid when a big tornado bounced over our house in Alabama...The noise was deafening, the ground shook and it was black as the inside of a cow for a few minutes...like the world was ending. I imagine Fire Fighters experience with Fire Whirls is similar to mine.

PJ

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That looks to be the size of a real tornado based on the size of the houses below. Nature creating it's own weather system. Is that the Carr fire again?

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That looks to be the size of a real tornado based on the size of the houses below. Nature creating it's own weather system. Is that the Carr fire again?

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Yes, I believe so: Redding. And yes, this one was estimated at 1,000 feet across.

How about giving up the $70B + $150m/yr (for a mere 3% increase in effectivity) for the great wall of USA for the first responders and equipment and the BLM to sufficiently manage this great land instead.

Or perhaps use some of Boston Dynamics Robots for this work instead of Darpa, Jeiddo, DoD, Rapid equipment force, etc. Not that I'm against research to help the troops but it's feeling like there are more important fish to fry...pun intended. I did like the Sand Flea...very impressive. Rant Off.

The funny thing is that I remember being Germany and how clean the forests were and going on a Volksmarch (not necessarily a sport) to help clear the undergrowth. Most of what we are seeing is preventable and manageable...with proper resources and The CM word "Conscious Management".

A firefighting hose is sucked into a firenado.

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Pjs I'm pretty sure the IVV international volks vanderwag is considered a sport at least we thought it was. Did you ever do Kelheim? We called it kill him once did a 30 and a 42 k in the same weekend and often did multiple 10 to 20 k s in a single weekend. In 76 all of us who shared the same stairwell in our off post housing went on 3 marches on a single Saturday 4 of our wives were from 6 to 8 months pregnant at the time so the 6 ladies only took the 7 k short march while us guys went on the 15K
we finished our march then went looking for the women caught up with them about the time they were a little over half way. When you are used to stepping it out it is really hard to stroll 3k at a snails pace.
How did you like the warm broth refreshments they always offered?

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Originally Posted by Frank S

Pjs I'm pretty sure the IVV international volks vanderwag is considered a sport at least we thought it was. Did you ever do Kelheim? We called it kill him once did a 30 and a 42 k in the same weekend and often did multiple 10 to 20 k s in a single weekend. In 76 all of us who shared the same stairwell in our off post housing went on 3 marches on a single Saturday 4 of our wives were from 6 to 8 months pregnant at the time so the 6 ladies only took the 7 k short march while us guys went on the 15K
we finished our march then went looking for the women caught up with them about the time they were a little over half way. When you are used to stepping it out it is really hard to stroll 3k at a snails pace.
How did you like the warm broth refreshments they always offered?

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In the late 50's when I was there the first time as a young lad, they were called Volksmarch's and were hosted by the local Bürgermeister...and no affiliation to sport walking, just people joining together to clean up the forest and have some fun. Men, Women, & Kids participated and would cover maybe 10 acres at a time. As I remember we would end up at the Gasthaus down the hill from where we stayed for a feast, more fun and much imbibery from the adults, but do remember having schnapps the first time at one. We were up just north of Kaiserslautern. Kelheim is down by München and did go there for Oktoberfest a couple of times.

In the mid-late 90's when I started going back to Germany for work I went on walks (not clean ups) with a few of the people we were working with in the evenings and the forests were still clean. One along the Elbe was quite memorable, clean and beautiful, ending at a small eatery across the river from King Otto's fortress with live music, good Köstritzer and nice People...and a bit of a wobble back to the hotel. Went to a lot of places in the country then, most centered around Magdeburg, Berlin, up to Essen and Hamburg, Hanover and down to München, and Stuttgart once.

Seems to me we could take that style on and bring people together with BLM and/or local forestry people to do it, instead of letting it get so bad their fire hoses are sucked into a fire whirl. Nothing like a 150' of fire hose with a 6-10lb nozzle whipping around like bull whip to make your day exciting or go very wrong.

I'm not sure when the IVV came into play they were still called volksmarches but organized into long wanderings through the local forests and villages almost everyone carried a small canvas bag slung over our shoulders. just in case the errant twig or gasp a piece of actual litter happened to be found we would put it on our bags sometime several would form up in groups and spread out a few meters to either side of the trails in search of Müll
And since these had been organized into a sponsored activity there was a nominal fee for most of them you always received some trinket pin or medal or a patch for your vest, upon completion and had our books stamped much like a passport stamp with the sponsoring name of the town or village. in the over 3 years I was there I had managed to accumulate 3 5000 k patches I was nearing my 20,000 k patch when my ETS date came up.
For a while there were volksmarches here in Texas down around Fredricksburg and new Braunfels and a couple more but they were only once a year and I,m not sure they caught on very well. but they were more like timed power walks than what I had been accustomed to

Apparently there is still a following of these here in the states called the AVA
American Volkssport Association

Now that firenados have become such a viral darling, they're increasingly appearing in physics demos. Here's a gem, in a 20-second video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTbcTNhyNlc

You frequently see people on fire on the internet, but it's very rare that they execute a proper stop-drop-and-roll like this guy, complete with a confident hands-on-hips finish.

I am again reminded of the classic Eddie Murphy "I want the knife" scene in the 1986 film The Golden Child.

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One thing about the guy was he did remain calm.
About firenados I can't believe that I sat through the entire series of 7 or 8 episode movies of the sharknados with a couple great nephews that was the first time I heard of a firenado I think.

:clapping: Good one Jon!! I thought it was a bit Laurel and Hardy myself, but he almost got started...Ooops. With the pause on his side...Oh yeah, roll over on it...but the end with his hands on his hips and bow...priceless.

Blips like these are Good, Keep Yang up! Golden Child, one of my top 15 movies all times. My son and I still trade lines from it.

https://youtu.be/zIvlH9dk6wY

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