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    So here is my update to watching this video.
    I am amazed at the comments about "lug nuts failing", "wheel spacer failure" etc. Did not a single one of you who "claimed" the failure as such even take a moment and closely watch the video?? The lug nuts nor a spacer (if even applicable) were the failure. What we know is as fact, the spindle end failed. The cause can only be speculated at this point on this video. Based on the video provided the facts are as follows. Moments before the failure you can see the "wheel assembly" wobble. That was the point of spindle end failure and the caliper briefly held the wheel assembly in position. What is certain in this video is the truck is a 2 wheel drive. The "spindle" failed at the junction of the knuckle. Did wheel offset play a part? IMHO, yes it did. But the lug nuts nor wheel spacer failed. My best investigative opinion (watching this video) is a fractured spindle failure. Likely causes are, #1 previous fracture from accident impact, #2 Wheel center-line offset compounded with minimal side wall (tire) causing severe shock to spindle. I would at this point rule out wheel bearing failure since we can see the spindle is bright and not burnt and there is no "smoke" at the center of the wheel assembly (look at center of wheel assembly from 1 minute 3 seconds in slow motion and again at 1 minute 10 seconds) From the grainy video I would surmise a fractured spindle. Close up inspection of the knuckle and spindle end would reveal the actual point of origin of the fracture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ram50V8 View Post
    So here is my update to watching this video.
    I am amazed at the comments about "lug nuts failing", "wheel spacer failure" etc. Did not a single one of you who "claimed" the failure as such even take a moment and closely watch the video?? The lug nuts nor a spacer (if even applicable) were the failure. What we know is as fact, the spindle end failed. The cause can only be speculated at this point on this video. Based on the video provided the facts are as follows. Moments before the failure you can see the "wheel assembly" wobble. That was the point of spindle end failure and the caliper briefly held the wheel assembly in position. What is certain in this video is the truck is a 2 wheel drive. The "spindle" failed at the junction of the knuckle. Did wheel offset play a part? IMHO, yes it did. But the lug nuts nor wheel spacer failed. My best investigative opinion (watching this video) is a fractured spindle failure. Likely causes are, #1 previous fracture from accident impact, #2 Wheel center-line offset compounded with minimal side wall (tire) causing severe shock to spindle. I would at this point rule out wheel bearing failure since we can see the spindle is bright and not burnt and there is no "smoke" at the center of the wheel assembly (look at center of wheel assembly from 1 minute 3 seconds in slow motion and again at 1 minute 10 seconds) From the grainy video I would surmise a fractured spindle. Close up inspection of the knuckle and spindle end would reveal the actual point of origin of the fracture.
    You are correct in that the rotor disk is still attached. However, in regard to a spindle fracture as being the probable cause of the wheel coming off, there is another possibility with a high probability. A few manufactures no longer actually use spindles on their light duty trucks they use a bolt on hub assembly Chevy and GMC for their HD 2500&3500 models use a 4 bolt hub assembly with 14MM bolts, their 1500 models have only 3 14mm bolts, the hubs are nearly identical for 2wd or 4wd the difference is some will not be splined for the CV assembly
    Installing wide tires on spacer s and those near zero sidewall tires are as you said a huge factor in failures
    Here is a picture of a hub I recently replaced on an HD2500 4WD
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    And here is a picture of a 1500 2wd
    Runaway tire sends car airborne - GIF-s-l300-1-.jpg
    Edit I just did a search and this type of bolt on spindle hub seems pretty much industry wide

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank S View Post
    You are correct in that the rotor disk is still attached. However, in regard to a spindle fracture as being the probable cause of the wheel coming off, there is another possibility with a high probability. A few manufactures no longer actually use spindles on their light duty trucks they use a bolt on hub assembly Chevy and GMC for their HD 2500&3500 models use a 4 bolt hub assembly with 14MM bolts, their 1500 models have only 3 14mm bolts, the hubs are nearly identical for 2wd or 4wd the difference is some will not be splined for the CV assembly
    Installing wide tires on spacer s and those near zero sidewall tires are as you said a huge factor in failures
    Here is a picture of a hub I recently replaced on an HD2500 4WD
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    Edit I just did a search and this type of bolt on spindle hub seems pretty much industry wide
    From 1988 to at least 1992 the GM 1500 2WD used a knuckle with replaceable bearings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ram50V8 View Post
    So here is my update to watching this video. I am amazed at the comments about "lug nuts failing", "wheel spacer failure" .
    There was no mention of "lug nut failure" or "wheel spacer failure" did you even take a moment to actually read the comments?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bob_3000 View Post
    There was no mention of "lug nut failure" or "wheel spacer failure" did you even take a moment to actually read the comments?
    I did read the comments, for the original video that was linked here. As I am sure others might have read and possibly contributed to those "original video" comments posted on you tube.



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