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    Extreme cupping therapy - GIF

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    I'll pass.

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    They're like some sort of 1960s low budget Sci-Fi villain. I could see these dumbasses showing up in a Doctor Who episode.

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    I'd like to see what is removed...what ends up in those glass jars?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bob_3000 View Post
    I'd like to see what is removed
    Your money.

    Seriously though, I think the vessels are just to hold pressure. The real crime here is wasting all that beautiful copper.

    More here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cupping_therapy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jon View Post
    Your money.

    Oh, I though they would be full of negative thoughts/emotions and toxic attitudes....you know, politicians.

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    Pretty common to see this in China, it is another form of medicine for them. I never tried this one, it looked painful, and the people I talked to that had it done said it was painful but provided some benefit...wasn't clear to me!
    The first time I saw someone with those marks on them I thought they were a victim!
    Typically they heat the glass or copper container, and then apply to the skin, as it cools, it draws a vacuum inside and pulls the skin up into the container, which causes those marks. No thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by KustomsbyKent View Post
    Pretty common to see this in China, it is another form of medicine for them. I never tried this one, it looked painful, and the people I talked to that had it done said it was painful but provided some benefit...wasn't clear to me!
    The first time I saw someone with those marks on them I thought they were a victim!
    Typically they heat the glass or copper container, and then apply to the skin, as it cools, it draws a vacuum inside and pulls the skin up into the container, which causes those marks. No thanks!
    Someone would have to show me the science behind this before I would even think about it just like the acupuncture craze a few years ago.
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    You can probably dig up a few small cohort studies that demonstrate its efficacy, and a few famous people who swear by it.

    There is no known mechanism to support it as a general medical therapy, and good luck trying to separate it from a placebo. You would have to create a viable "fake" cupping method. This is actually what they did with acupuncture studies, using a non-penetrating acupuncture needle so that they could at least single-blind the studies.

    Localized stimulation - like how you grab and rub a part of your body immediately after injuring it - has some small positive effect. These pseudomedical treatments combine that, plus difficulty of double blinding, plus placebo effect, and voila: "healing".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jon View Post
    You can probably dig up a few small cohort studies that demonstrate its efficacy, and a few famous people who swear by it.

    There is no known mechanism to support it as a general medical therapy, and good luck trying to separate it from a placebo. You would have to create a viable "fake" cupping method. This is actually what they did with acupuncture studies, using a non-penetrating acupuncture needle so that they could at least single-blind the studies.

    Localized stimulation - like how you grab and rub a part of your body immediately after injuring it - has some small positive effect. These pseudomedical treatments combine that, plus difficulty of double blinding, plus placebo effect, and voila: "healing".
    the way to make placebos to work, is to be a very good, combined carnival midway barker and a televangelist preacher, think of the traveling snake oil salesmen roaming from town to town in the 1800s. It's much easier in modern day medicine to con people since the news media so called notable pseudo-scientists and almost all politicians will push a theory lockstep with one another in pursuit of the all mighty dollar and their egos.
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