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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeVanGeaux View Post
    I had a staged reaction - first, it was a bit funny, then I was perplexed, then it got sad, then just painful.... then, finally, I had to quit watching.

    I don't know if there is such a thing but, maybe, these are the five stages of incredulity??
    You and I had the same thoughts. And yes there are stages or incredulity.

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    Speaking of the poor quality of the education system in today's world.
    I am not so sure it was much better in some regions even back in the late 60's early70s.
    I had been thought of as being educationally stupid, a term actually used by my 2nd grade teacher, due to my dyslexia. It wasn't until I accidently discovered that I could understand the written page by the use of colored cellophane which almost overnight transformed my level of comprehension in my studies which had improved to the point my leaping so far ahead of the rest of my classmates by midway through the 3rd I was bumped into the 4th and once again in the 7th,school eventually became so boring for me that I quit mid way through the 9th after being exempted from all midterm exams. I forced myself to return the following year but shucked it off again in mid term. I halfheartedly attempted returning the 3rd time but that time once the mid term exams came around and I had been exempted once again only by now I was taking freshman sophomore and Junior classes The heck with this I thought and joined the Army got my GED then it was converted to a HS diploma, I had needed only 2 credits to graduate but according to the rules I would have had to attend school a full 2 1/2 more years to graduate. Stuff that I had 60 hours of college by the time the class I had started the 1st grade with I was well on my way to having a 2 year college degree because after I had my first 20 hours I had learned that I could get hours by challenging the final exam. If I passed it I received the hours if not I was out the cost and took course.
    Both of my daughters attended what they called magnet schools which were advanced school in the public school system Today my oldest is a Pharmacist and the youngest has a 20 years teaching carrier under her belt Even though she now holds a masters degree she refuses to do anything but teach the 3rd grade. Her reasoning is1 she loves what she does 2 she is always on the look out for that student who is smart but doesn't seem to be able to grasp the context of their studies. Through the years she has instituted several programs which has helped several students overcome their learning disabilities.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank S View Post
    Speaking of the poor quality of the education system in today's world.
    I am not so sure it was much better in some regions even back in the late 60's early70s.
    I had been thought of as being educationally stupid, a term actually used by my 2nd grade teacher, due to my dyslexia. It wasn't until I accidently discovered that I could understand the written page by the use of colored cellophane which almost overnight transformed my level of comprehension in my studies which had improved to the point my leaping so far ahead of the rest of my classmates by midway through the 3rd I was bumped into the 4th and once again in the 7th,school eventually became so boring for me that I quit mid way through the 9th after being exempted from all midterm exams. I forced myself to return the following year but shucked it off again in mid term. I halfheartedly attempted returning the 3rd time but that time once the mid term exams came around and I had been exempted once again only by now I was taking freshman sophomore and Junior classes The heck with this I thought and joined the Army got my GED then it was converted to a HS diploma, I had needed only 2 credits to graduate but according to the rules I would have had to attend school a full 2 1/2 more years to graduate. Stuff that I had 60 hours of college by the time the class I had started the 1st grade with I was well on my way to having a 2 year college degree because after I had my first 20 hours I had learned that I could get hours by challenging the final exam. If I passed it I received the hours if not I was out the cost and took course.
    Both of my daughters attended what they called magnet schools which were advanced school in the public school system Today my oldest is a Pharmacist and the youngest has a 20 years teaching carrier under her belt Even though she now holds a masters degree she refuses to do anything but teach the 3rd grade. Her reasoning is1 she loves what she does 2 she is always on the look out for that student who is smart but doesn't seem to be able to grasp the context of their studies. Through the years she has instituted several programs which has helped several students overcome their learning disabilities.
    I hear you. If I was a kid now I would be labelled autistic. As a kid I was just different. Had to learn somethings my way. It works up until now! Nice to hear that you met all the challenges.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mwmkravchenko View Post
    I hear you. If I was a kid now I would be labelled autistic. As a kid I was just different. Had to learn somethings my way. It works up until now! Nice to hear that you met all the challenges.
    You should have heard the words my mechanic dad had to say to my 2nd grade teacher when she made that statement.
    That boy has been tearing down carburetors distributers starters and generators since he was wearing diapers, and rebuilding them since he was 4, so the only person in this conversation who may be stupid is you teacher. Of course him being a retired Marine gunny he had many more eloquent words in his tirade.
    I had the same teacher for half of my 5th grade year as well. She was different, and by then I had adapted very well to my condition I had become a voracious reader but couldn't be bothered with the elementary school library I would make the 100 yard walk to the middle & high school library to check out books instead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank S View Post
    Her reasoning is1 she loves what she does 2 she is always on the look out for that student who is smart but doesn't seem to be able to grasp the context of their studies. Through the years she has instituted several programs which has helped several students overcome their learning disabilities.
    Your teacher daughter sounds like the sort of person that a functioning education system sorely needs. Probably wouldn't make it through training collage these days.

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    I will not argue the points made above. Yes there are some really stupid people. Yes, in the USA anyway, our schools are not teaching some very important, very basic skills.

    However, from this video, as funny as it appears, we cannot assume this person is stupid at all. We can surmise that the person does have some issue with spacial awareness. As a teacher for 35 years, I had several very smart students over the years who were just very "uncoordinated" in regard to eye, hand, body relationships.

    As a specific example, some COULD NOT use a computer mouse "properly". We typically use them (back when they had wires) with the wire and buttons at the "top" where our finger tips can operate the buttons. The kids and a couple of teachers that I worked with just could never make it work that way. Once on a whim, suggested they turn the mouse around. The wire leading out under their wrist, actuating the button with the palm of their hand. It was very clumsy looking I was not able to demonstrate it that way, but, for them, it opened the door to their use of computers.

    There are other examples, but the point is some people are just wired differently, but they are not stupid.

    I cannot play. a piano or saxophone, I am ok with a Kazoo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hemmjo View Post
    I will not argue the points made above. Yes there are some really stupid people. Yes, in the USA anyway, our schools are not teaching some very important, very basic skills.

    However, from this video, as funny as it appears, we cannot assume this person is stupid at all. We can surmise that the person does have some issue with spacial awareness. As a teacher for 35 years, I had several very smart students over the years who were just very "uncoordinated" in regard to eye, hand, body relationships.

    As a specific example, some COULD NOT use a computer mouse "properly". We typically use them (back when they had wires) with the wire and buttons at the "top" where our finger tips can operate the buttons. The kids and a couple of teachers that I worked with just could never make it work that way. Once on a whim, suggested they turn the mouse around. The wire leading out under their wrist, actuating the button with the palm of their hand. It was very clumsy looking I was not able to demonstrate it that way, but, for them, it opened the door to their use of computers.

    There are other examples, but the point is some people are just wired differently, but they are not stupid.

    I cannot play. a piano or saxophone, I am ok with a Kazoo.
    Именно это и огорчает. Вместо таблицы умножения они пользуются калькулятором, логарифмическую линейку (они вообще не знают что это за зверь) им заменил компьютер. Зачем включать мозг, если задачу решит компьютер. Нет логики... печально.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slim-123 View Post
    Именно это и огорчает. Вместо таблицы умножения они пользуются калькулятором, логарифмическую линейку (они вообще не знают что это за зверь) им заменил компьютер. Зачем включать мозг, если задачу решит компьютер. Нет логики... печально.
    This is what upsets me. Instead of a multiplication table, they use a calculator, a slide rule (they don't know what kind of animal it is) was replaced by a computer. Why turn on the brain if the computer solves the problem? No logic ... sad.

    Google translate to the rescue.

    I agree completely. I'm in Canada and the sad state of teaching is nearly the same as in the USA.

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    Also, video game skills may not transfer to the real world...

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    Ah, come on guys, have a little charity...He really needs the job, ran out of Dad's money for MBA on accounting courses.
    Not to mention zero learning ability, observational skills, and minuscule concept of low grade mechanics. As stated above, video games don't have pallet jacks.
    He'll make a terrific politician.
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