With railcar in background for scale...
With railcar in background for scale...
Seamless hot mill. Jones & Laughlin Steel Corporation. Aliquippa, Pennsylvania.
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We've a rolling mill here in Kansas City; in there one day, watched them run 8" square tube, about 1/2" wall. I'd swear it went 10 feet per second, if not more. Pulled flat stock from a spool, formed a tall U, closed the top, laying continuous submerged weld on the seam.
Seeing things like this always causes awe; starting with all the capital equipment to build such a plant. And not till after someone built those too.....
What on earth did we do to ourselves?
I have minimal 'respect' for endeavors passing for 'business' today.
I totaly agree.
NACA Hydro-Tel machine. Original caption: "HYDROTEL IN BALDE SECTION OF THE TECHNICAL SERVICES BUILDING TSB". November, 1955.
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were gonna need a bigger shop.....
Lol. Notice push button panel 11' feet up the ladder? MAN I miss running big machinery. Foot clutches, hand shift gear boxes, and built-in ladders!
In reference to Hydrotels, not certain if that's a machine trademark, retrofit or possibly both. Most Hydrotels are linked with Cincinnati.
Anyway, my trivia bit; Frank Pachmayr [as in trademark Pachmayr pistol grips, many firearms related products, and Los Angeles's coolest store ever], made a huge fortune buying up dirt cheap defense plant Hydro's, to run in new industry of commercial aircraft parts. Everybody else scrimped for individual Friden tape run NC machines, took years to catch up.
It takes money to make money. Yup. And a fast machine gets worked to death against multiple simple machines with powerful spindles. . .
BTW, next coolest? Weatherby's in South Gate. After that, Frederick's of Hollywood! Lingerie half off :clapping:, whoohoo yeah let's go!
Imagine my disappointment, turned out merely a sale.
Even with side trip to Art's or Jerry's in Studio City for not so compensatory cheesecake. We lived in Lakewood; a truck and cash, heading for LA, returning with anything you needed, wanted or just liked. Angle iron. Engine parts. Machinery. Tool steel. Any Gr8 fastener imaginable. 10" gate valves. Chemicals, solvent, racing fuel. Plexiglass. First rate tools over the frickin counter Indestro, Plvmb, Proto.
Not any more.
Lets say 1985, 27 million Californians, 4th largest economy in the WORLD, literally. Now everything has a Cancer Warning sticker. But not 27 million cases, 30 years later!
:soapbox: done.
What does it do?
Horizontal milling; properly tooled, good at boring too. This particular machine has two spindles, far left of operator, about shoulder height. I'd guess smaller is normal 50 or 60 NMTB taper. The larger could be same taper, yet big spindle; I'd guess for a large facing head.
Before CNC, which is essentially direct, machines used hydraulics commanded by templates, sequential valving controlled by timers and solenoids, cams instead of lead screws, reducing many human factors. Costs incurred making templates, cams, setting up timing or replacing hoses [:rofl:] were just overhead, incidental compared to value in complicated or numerous parts.
NACA refers to National Advisory Committee for Aeronautics; a United States federal agency founded March 3, 1915, to undertake promote, and institutionalize aeronautical research. I think term Balde Section term is wrong; they had an entire department devoted to wing and blade forms though. . .in advance becoming NASA in 1958.
I had just turned 6.
Milwaukee milling machine. Westinghouse Air Brake Company. 1910.
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I have a younger brother of this mill, it has a much longer table and was converted from a horizontal to a vertical mill at some point in it’s life, as well as switched to 230V single phase. Mine was built in the early 40’s and used to make products for the war effort then later used in a plant that produced automotive parts. Love that overbuilt old machinery.
the navy had some that had a vertical attachment on them too. why buy 2 machines when you can have 2&1.
I have a 2B like it; back in a corner, covered up. It'll run, but it doesn't have motor bracket like that pictured; probably built for a line shaft. It has a low RPM motor ~750 something 3hp in a really large frame, like a 120 hp. Appears care was taken duplicating lineshaft RPM, machine sheave is about 24" diameter, motor about 6". I brought it in for one reason, swivel table, power feeds, 40 taper and a small R8 universal head, it ran, nice condition, cutting oil pump and dual screw. OK, 7 things, I mean 8...It will need a proper guard for that triple sheave belt arrangement.
I like old iron, if Milwaukee or K&T, all the better.
A Mesta employee machining a section of an engine crankshaft.
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Does the table the guy is standing on revolve? I cannot imagine the engine that crankshaft goes in.
Ralph
I am pretty sure the table rotates and the operator is administered a supply of Dramamine suppositories. :lol:
thats one hell of a motor cycle crank....
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Does the table the guy is standing on revolve? I cannot imagine the engine that crankshaft goes in.
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I am pretty sure the table rotates and the operator is administered a supply of Dramamine suppositories.
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thats one hell of a motor cycle crank....
I scaled him about 5 units tall, chuck at 14 same units. So, if he's 5'5'', about a 12' chuck. Max RPM is maybe 18 or so. Takes really good tool grinding to produce finishes so far out of proportion between diameter - available speeds & feeds. Diameter not done yet, but cheek of crank throw looks good.
Reasoning says its cast or forging, but not turned from a big slug. It would depend whether this is a repair or repeated job.
Just noticed a 'mistake' in photographers framing of shot. If he'd set up a bit farther to right, there'd been daylight between turned diameter and tool-holder under the man's hand.
I was thinken it was 14' turn table but it's probably metric... Iv'e never seen a press together cast crank but I haven't seen it all ..well not yet.
Some equipment needed to complete assembly of product.
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A one track mind; just a day or so back, going on about infrastructure.
!920 Betts Machine vertical boring and turning mill 16 foot diameter table
Betts Machine Co. - 1920 Ad-Betts Machine Co., 16 foot Boring & Turning Mill | VintageMachinery.org
Thanks Frank, wish I had room in my shop for one.
Ralph
Ralph I used to have a 60" Bullard with 2 cutter towers just a much smaller version of that one.
I used it to turn the ID and OD of large combination brake/ clutch drums for oil field draw work winches
HMM....OK SEND ME 2 OF THEM...i CAN ADD SEATS AND TAKE THE KIDDIES FOR RIDES.:hattip::popcorn::rimshot:
Well, could your shop be put ON one? Hooking up power is the challenge...
I ran 8' and 12's building different molds one place, big pump housings in another. The mold shop had straight rams and single toolholders; everything is form tools. Running pump castings, turret in that puppy. Practically had to jump the clutch pedal from the table.
Supervisor teased me some, but knew I liked that machine.
"How you gettin' along with the King?" Aaa just fine Roy, I carry 90 dollars in my pocket...He looked puzzled You know, rolls of dimes!
$90.00 in dimes is only around 4.5 lbs the same is true for quarters and half dollars unless you were talking about pre 1965 coins then you could add about a half pound in round numbers
But nickels would be 19.8 lbs
$90.0 in pennies would rip your pockets weighing in at 49.6 lbs
Interestingly enough using a roll of coins in your fist to increase your punch a roll of dollar coins add the most weight a roll of half dollars are too large in diameter for most fists maybe not mine but most. A roll of dollar coins the Susan B size that is weighs .893 lbs. but if it breaks you are out 50 bucks.
Quarters will yield and additional half pound of weight to add to your kinetic force
Nickels would be my coinage of choice still large enough in diameter to reasonably fill most fists and will weigh in at .441 lbs. not a lot less than quarters but only 2 bucks lost when you have to toss them
Planer. Pittsburgh and Lake Erie Railroad Company. July, 1904.
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i wonder how many of these old big machines were repurposed when they became obsolite with newer faster models. kinda like a ex wife, they still need loven....by somebody....or 2 or 3 or 4...my ex has atleast 4 more ex's after me.....please say it wasent me.....:rofl::rimshot:
While US had gigantic number of machines, many reduced to scrap. Profilers for example; could do complicated parts, went away as diecasting improved.
Planers handle work that re-designing still takes same amount of space; now they have milling heads.
Many went to foreign buyers and still run today. Other machines, like old lathes, went from factories to smaller users.
And no, she said it wasn't you, last time I saw her anyway.
please dont be #6 !!!
Number 6?
Shucks NO! That's one melancholy baby. With a head like a melon, and a face like a _ _ _ _ _ _.
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paste it. only way to hide the surprise, not to mention one fine bridge courtesy o' Pearly.
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I have several very old milling machines including a 1916 Kempsmith for which I have the original manual and test data sheet from January 1916. It has a Cross vertical head attachment. It was all set up with a 3hp single phase drive for the horizontal spindle and 3/4 hp on the vertical spindle. I use that machine more than my Bridgeport, especially since the horizontal spindle gives me power feed in all 3 axis. I paid $231 total for it at an auction, ready to go with overarm support, quite a few cutters and a couple of longer arbors. One of the best deals I've made.
Another is a Kearney and Trecker #2 of similar, possibly older vintage of the mill shown, motorized. I've never set it up yet.
Another is a turn of the century Cincinnati No 1-1/2 horizontal "cone head" with feeds, yet to be restored.
I once had (and wish I hadn't traded it for a Bridgeport) a #4H Leblond horizontal mill which had about a 7 foot table, double back geared spindle, feeds from .0025 to 1-3/8 inches per revolution. #12 B&S tapered spindle rebored to #50 milling machine arbors. A real beast, about 12,000 lbs. It was awfully big for my then 2 car garage but now that I have room for it I wish I had it back. It ran a 10 inch insert face mill smoother than a K&T #6CK (huge) horizontal mill I ran occasionally at my "day job" but didn't have enough HP for its size.
We used the 6CK to cut 1 inch wide half round keyways up to 59 foot long on drilling rig kelly bars, 3 around the bar. We had three matching 8 inch mill vises in a row and could cut 4-1/2 feet at a time, releasing the vises and traversing the table back for the next cut. We could actually cut the entire length and space the 3 keyways around within less than .030" error. Of course we used that big mill for other jobs as well.
So much for my watchmaking skills!
The spindles on my older mills are Brown and Sharpe Taper. Is the K&T featured a B&S taper?
wow you can have some fun with those...and even get some work done!!!
Steinle Turret lathe at the Westinghouse Air Brake Company. 1910.
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That's one fast lead screw...
air breaks...it stinks...but oh what a relief it is!!!!:dance::rofl:
I wonder if its a fast traverse to move the turret saddle in and out of position?
that works for me...or to make a fast twist or a dam fast threading machine running at warp speed trying to get a starship warp drive up and running so the aliens form another Galaxy dont come down and eat our brains for lunch and have our females for a snack as there moving on to the next star system....to get their pets from the sitter while they were on vacation.....:popcorn: