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That reminds me of when we were having a pre project conflab to access whos company was going to cover which scope of the project on a 120,000 cubic meter cold storage building. For the most part I sat that mostly disinterested in the whole meeting Since there were representatives and engineers from several countries English was always the preferred language for these conferences. As we slowly scrolled through the many construction phases I kept my mouth shut through the civil work and the faults I thought I noticed then held my tongue through the steel structure since I knew our company was not at the time in position to produce the amount of steel fabrication required so on and on the meeting went through the many phases until we got to the part I knew my company was vying to compete for my company's owner and our other engineers hadn't spoken up about the many discrepancies in the plans do when they started talking about adding standard sized walk through doors way up 10 meters from the floor for access to the refrigeration and circulation units and no one from any company had brought up the fault with this I finally had enoughOriginally Posted by MeJasonT
Now we have a problem I said. I have sat here for 4 hours trying to wait and see if any of you engineers and professionals in your fields were ever going to say something about all of the design flaws in your little project. I never spoke out during the discussion of the civil work even though this building will eventually leach cold into the ground until it becomes cold soaked Our water table in this area is but a few meters below the surface over time if your approved design is allowed to stand the moisture in the ground will freeze and cause the ground to heave I cited an instance of this in Sweden. I held back while the structure was being argued even though you are dead set on making this to be a single building you have the structure figured as 3 separate unites tied together only with the interior cold panels and yet the roofs are laid out more of a 2 building not 3 building configuration, you show the cold panels as being 2 150mm thick by 6 meter long panels stacked one on top of the other to achieve the 12 meter height when I know where I can have 12 meter long panels made, and 200 mm thick would be far more efficient,every joint in panels is a potential cold leak. But the point I am bringing up right now is your proposal of doors to nowhere and their size you have them placed too far away from the units for a technician to service or replace them and no provisions for work platforms or safety railings also their size makes them stupidly expensive for no more than they will ever be utilized.
The Dutch consulting engineer asked me, I replied in my poor German, industrail Design Engineering meine Lehre ist die Philosophie der Technik
One of the Arab engineers asked what had been said the Consultant said I asked him what his field was
from then on I was called the big engineer and the whole set of plans were gone over again and again until over a Million dollars worth of waste was discovered and corrected, it took me finally speaking out to cause the others to grow a pair and our company wound up with many more aspects of the project than we had set out to bid for.
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