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    So the impedance of the coil is 100 Ohms, the capacitor's is 4.25 Ohm. At 8KHz puls frequency the vfd "sees" for the higher frequency pulses an impedance of 96 Ohm and at 230V the filter alone causes a current of 2.4 Amp. That current is 90 degrees out of phase wrt. the voltage and does not consume energy but the vfd has to supply it in addition to the motor current. So Tony's advise to remove the capacitors seems to be a good move. But increasing the inductance of the coils to 50 mH is a better choice. For that latter coil beware of the Ohmic resistance which had to be not to high so the wire OD has to be sufficient. For a 10 Ohm resistance the dissipated power at 2A is 40W and the coil will be heated considerably.

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    It seems that the base problem here is not understood by some of the respondents. One major cause is the capacitance of the cables to the motor. This is why long cable runs are more in need of inductive dV/dt filters and why added capacitance is usually unhelpful.

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    Is the filter installed between the line and the VFD?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jraymjr View Post
    Is the filter installed between the line and the VFD?
    The filter under most discussion here is a dV/dt filter between the VFD and motor. A line filter may also be installed on the input side of the VFD. The two filters perform very different jobs.

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    Project is moving forward to power feeds.

    This is crappy prototype to find out if idea was good. There are two halves of dog clutch, spring between them. Electromagnets connects both halves together, distance of movement is only 2.5 [mm]. Why I build whole clutch by myself and didn't use a car air conditioner electromagnetic clutch? - Clutch from AC is huge.

    Milling machine - video-1748123651650.jpg

    Then I built nice civilised looking unit:

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    Now I'm going to build similar working clutches for Y and Z axis.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SteelCraft View Post
    Project is moving forward to power feeds.

    ................ Why I build whole clutch by myself and didn't use a car air conditioner electromagnetic clutch? - Clutch from AC is huge.
    I have used clutches from car AC on a lathe spindle motor, but as you say they are too large to be suitable for axes drives.

    What happens when the two halves of the dog clutch try to come together with a high tooth against a high tooth? Does it just spin until the two halves fit together? Do you activate the clutch before the drive motor or are they activated together?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tonyfoale View Post
    What happens when the two halves of the dog clutch try to come together with a high tooth against a high tooth? Does it just spin until the two halves fit together? Do you activate the clutch before the drive motor or are they activated together?
    It spins until two halves fit together. Clutch is activated when PWM module is switched on, motor activation is not possible with clutch deactivated.

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    I built similar working power feed for Z axis and I faced a problem which made me stuck.

    Lead screw nut (made from bronze) when knee going down starts vibrating a lot. Very loud, whole machine starts shaking. I tried everything even welding in again flange for nut to remove any missaligment but nothing helped.

    It worked well only two days...

    Lead screw don't run dry, it's oiled.

    Do you have any ideas what else I could try to remove those vibration?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteelCraft View Post
    I built similar working power feed for Z axis and I faced a problem which made me stuck.

    Lead screw nut (made from bronze) when knee going down starts vibrating a lot. Very loud, whole machine starts shaking. I tried everything even welding in again flange for nut to remove any missaligment but nothing helped.

    It worked well only two days...

    Lead screw don't run dry, it's oiled.

    Do you have any ideas what else I could try to remove those vibration?
    So for two days of use after you allowed for the re-alignment you had good turning, and then back to vibration?

    Więc przez dwa dni użytkowania, po ponownym wyregulowaniu nakrętki, obroty były dobre, a potem znów pojawiły się wibracje?

    Mark

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    Quote Originally Posted by mwmkravchenko View Post
    So for two days of use after you allowed for the re-alignment you had good turning, and then back to vibration?

    Więc przez dwa dni użytkowania, po ponownym wyregulowaniu nakrętki, obroty były dobre, a potem znów pojawiły się wibracje?

    Mark
    Two days of use were after first assembly and tests. When I do re-alignment of nut everything is messed after one - two cycles up and down.

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