The wife told me she was tired of my complaining about our sauce pans we have several 2 & 3 qt size SS and 1 non coated mystery metal 2 qt. too heavy to be aluminum too light to be cast iron dull finish inside and out but it cooks well. it is just that it is the only one that has the proper side height in relation to the diameter The SS pans are fine but low sides. SO she said the next time we have to drive to the city she doesn't care if it takes us all day to locate them we are going to buy several old and rusty or new cast iron pans of every size we can find I said great as long as we buy a medium and a large dutch ovens and lids for all of them SO hopefully I will have some more curing to do soon.